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    03-24-2011, 03:50 PM
I like his writing, but his demonstration at the Expo (I went to 2 different ones) was very boring.
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    03-25-2011, 02:23 PM
I think for a lot of people John Lyons is the first step into the NH world. He's got some good techniques but I don't think that his program is really a program. That is, it is not very well structured to maximize learning for the human. It is more like a collection of stories and tricks. Although some people prefer to learn bits and pieces that way, I personally think it leaves too many holes that are not filled in very well.
    03-25-2011, 02:43 PM
Originally Posted by kitten_Val    
I like his writing, but his demonstration at the Expo (I went to 2 different ones) was very boring.
I liked his book, when I forced myself to read it, because I was bored reading it. The info itself was humane horsemanship techniques, but *yawn*.

The info just didn't stick with me in the way that PP's words just pop into my head for a situation I'm thinking about.

I've never seen him in person, but since KittenVal says that was boring, it begs the question as to whether the horses find it boring!
    03-25-2011, 04:27 PM
Originally Posted by Northern    
...I've never seen him in person, but since KittenVal says that was boring, it begs the question as to whether the horses find it boring!
When we bought Lilly, she was 6 and had never been ridden. The trainer we hired to break her was trained to use John Lyons methods, and it worked great. Unfortunately, she and Trooper hated each others guts, and it only was getting worse with time, so she now lives about 1.5 miles from here...where she is ridden every day and lives with another horse she adores, so the ending is happy. Her new owners think she is fantastic.

Trooper had refresher training with the same lady, and he is now very popular with the ladies in my house. They sing his praises every time they ride him.

Mia is starting some refresher training with her, with her teaching me to teach Mia. All indications so far are good.

So I'm batting 3/3 on John Lyons training for my horses.
    03-26-2011, 09:30 AM
I've heard many times that JL is boring. Sure, if you are expecting to see tricks, fancy jumps and a huge event....I agree. However, if you are truly watching to learn how to train a horse...he's not boring at all. His methods are easy to learn. The horses don't get bored because you are engaging their minds in each step. The horse learns to focus on it's person and not some object like a lot of the other trainers use. IE: I want my horse to move his rear when I ask him (my horses cue is "excuse me") not because I've smacked his legs with a stick. Then, he focuses on the stick and not me. I want my horse to backup when I backup not backup in fear of getting hit with a buckle of a lead rope. Again, he would be more focused on that buckle than on me.

However, different strokes for different folks! People learn things in many different ways. Oh and if anyone saw JL at RTTH.....you really wouldn't have thought he was boring during his demo with his horses. He had them sitting on pillows, jumping a triple combo of jumps, running at liberty, etc. It was quite entertaining.
    03-26-2011, 11:39 PM
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    03-27-2011, 12:06 AM
My trainer uses John Lyons methods awell as Josh Nicholas and Clinton Anderson and using little things she has picked up from the trainers she has become a very good trainer herself. I was never a fan of NH before and still not alot but when it's modified a little and done properly I have no problem with it.
BACK TO THE POINT, yes I like John Lyons.
    03-28-2011, 06:57 AM
Originally Posted by NevadaSilk    
I've heard many times that JL is boring. Sure, if you are expecting to see tricks, fancy jumps and a huge event....
Actually I don't care much about tricks. I've seen Parelli level 3 instructor demonstration (with fancy tricks) and it was boring too IMHO after first 5 mins or so. It's not so much about demonstration itself, but JL looked and sounded like he's bored himself (with that "dying" voice). In contrast Stacy Westfall could keep attention during whole demonstration, and she did talk quite a lot should I say (another good example would be Cris Cox or Craig Cameron, I really liked the demonstrations from both just for that reason - they seemed to ENJOY it).

I'm NOT saying JL is a bad trainer :) , I think he's very reasonable and smart. But his way of demonstration is not something I like or would go for again.
    03-28-2011, 08:45 AM
I've never read John Lyons on foal training, but do have a hardcover book authored by him and Sinclair Browning on "Conditioned-Reponse Training". Like several other's I take from "one trainer to learn from another" and interchange all aspects. I will not put down Lyon's methods, but his authoring a book was a bore and sometimes difficult to grasp what he was attempting to say.

There are is one Foal Handling book I highly recommend since I used it as a learning handbook for me when I had my mare bred the first time. The author is Cherry Hill and title is: "Birth to Two Years Old". I also have two vhs tapes by Robert Miller DVM(now deceased) on the handling(imprinting) of new borns.
    03-28-2011, 05:37 PM
Dr. Miller is not deceased. He made a full recovery.

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