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post #21 of 59 Old 04-16-2013, 01:22 PM
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Seriously, what differentiates "natural horsemanship" from the rest of us?
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post #22 of 59 Old 04-16-2013, 02:20 PM
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Lots of glitz, smoke and mirrors, circus extravaganza type 'clinics', expensive equipment with cutesy names, DVDs, and paying out the nose to join on-line clubs?
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post #23 of 59 Old 04-16-2013, 02:27 PM
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Annnnddddd everyone missed the OP's point and turned this into yet another bash thread. *slow clap*
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There really IS nothing other than the cost and cutesy names that are different about what some of us consider traditional horsemanship.

'Natural horsemanship' is a misnomer anyway, as anything we do with horses is hardly what they consider natural. Their natural inclination is to graze, live in a herd and be left alone.
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I think I'll start a new thread.
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"NH" is a self applied label, which accounts for the wide vareity of techniques and practices included under the umbrella.

In a very generalized sense, "NH" eschews harsh methods and coercion and instead emphasizes communication and partnership with the horse, by trying to understand how horses interact inside a herd.

Not new, not radical, just ideas that has been around since Xenophon, but everything old is new again.

Like most training methodogies, there is something to learn from most NH practitioners and techniques, even if you don't want to endorse them wholesale. I've read/watched Monty Roberts, John Lyons and Buck Brannaman and learned something from all of them. Doesn't mean I'm going to do an appreniceship with them, style myself after them or endorse their whole programs, but there is some solid stuff there, and likely with a host of others I haven't read.

Since the 90s, a lot of self-styled NH trainers have very agresseively marketed their products to novices and backyard owners in a not terribly straightforward way, which has given all of things associated with NH them a bit of a black eye and shady reputation.

Also, new converts to NH tend to have a overzealous approach and want to go out into the world as evangelists and tell other horseman that they're doing it wrong. This does not endear NH to other serious horsepeople.

If I wanted to sell a book or DVD on training at this point, even if all it contained were NH ideas and techniques, I'd call it something else, just to avoid the stigma. Maybe Transcendental Horsemanship? Maura's Five Fold Path for Equestrians? Celestial Horse Handling? Anythign but NH!

As always, just my opinion, just my .02.
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Very well said. Thank you.
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post #28 of 59 Old 04-16-2013, 03:57 PM
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Farmchic, I am very disappointed with the nh section on this forum as it really does appear to be a place to 'bash'. and it gets quite heated.
I am missing the savvy forum very much and unfortunately cannot find its like anywhere on the internet.
I have followed some very nice threads on this forum , lovely friendly people with lots of information and kindness to give.
so its out of the bag now... I am a Parelli member and intend staying one. I started off my nh journey with Quantum Savvy.

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post #29 of 59 Old 04-16-2013, 04:27 PM
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Lots of glitz, smoke and mirrors, circus extravaganza type 'clinics', expensive equipment with cutesy names, DVDs, and paying out the nose to join on-line clubs?

this is a prime example of what we are trying to avoid on the NH forum. It has no valuable information, no helpful advice, no pertinent question and is NOT friendly. It is a pretty good example of low-level bashing. Simply oozing with contempt and scorn.

I don't agree with some of the NH stuff. Not one bit. I have seen some of the results , and it makes me cringe, especially when it's good friends who are doing this, and they LOVE it. But, I love them, so I will not spit on their choice.
This forum is for folks who DO use NH or are curious to learn about it. becasue so many people hold NH methods and trainers in deep contempt, we ask that the just leave their scorn outside of the forum. You can explain why you think PP or CA or ? don't work, but leave the attitude out.
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post #30 of 59 Old 04-16-2013, 04:51 PM
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I think it is because new people come on here and ask about a NH trainer and someone gives their honest opinion that would give the pros and cons of that trainer but the person that started the thread only wanted to hear about all of the amazing things this trainer has done and get very upset and usually rather rude comments appear....

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