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        04-16-2013, 06:44 PM
      #31
    Trained
    I still don't know the answer to my legitimate question. What is natural horsemanship. Maura gave some semblance of an answer, but I thought that all real horsemen tried to form a partnership with their horse and use non-harsh training methods. I thought that this method of training was called "training". I promise that I am not being critical. I am sincerely wanting to find out if I have missed something basic.
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        04-16-2013, 06:45 PM
      #32
    Started
    One thing I have noticed about NH methods is that many people get these methods (or parts of the methods) in their heads and it's the NH Way or the Highway. I seems to me this happens more with newer owners/handlers.

    I have had horses for many years. I found that when I came up against some serious issues many of the methods worked and I was glad for the availability of video and print instructions...and occasionally the help of an experienced friend. Some clinicians I appreciate...some not so much. But most of these people go back to the teachings of a few pioneers who knew there was a better way than to wrestle them to the ground, so to speak. Most of this is not new. But it is adopted and marketed. And people have jumped on it.

    I consider the fact that I have limited ability and energy. I want to solve a problem with the least amount of stress to my horse and myself. So far, so good. I'm still upright in any case. I want what I do to make a horse that responds to what I ask, one I know what their capabilities and limits are, and one that will enjoy the ride. And all of this takes time.

    If someone asks for help we need to try to get info to them. Sometimes it's difficult to explain exactly what method has worked for us. And some people on this forum are excellent at doing just that. I always learn from them just by reading what they say. And some of the best "explainers" aren't spouting NH but instead Common Sense.

    Well, that's my opinion..What was the question again? : )
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        04-16-2013, 06:57 PM
      #33
    Banned
    No, tiny,

    I respecfully disagree.

    Glitz and circus extravaganza type clinics ARE how some NH practitioners present, and they do have cutesy names like "patience pole" or "carrot stick" instead of good old fashioned "snubbing post" or "whip." That is a hallmark of the NH marketing ploys that give NH a bad name.

    If you ask a leading, disingenuous question like "I thought the NH forum was just for people who want to discuss NH, it's not like people go into other sections of the forum to bash...." clearly you are expecting some discussion from the bashers, or you would hopelessy naive to think some folks wouldn't show up to explain why they dislike it.

    I think this has been one of the more civilized conversations about NH that there has been on the forum in some time. "Glitz, circus type extravaganzaa and high dues on line clubs" are not hyperbole, they are accurate terms to describe a certain subset of NH.

    The OP's original post was the rough equivelent of my posting a photo in the dressage forum of a horse in hyperflexion with a title like "I don't understand why people think rollkur is bad...." or the WP forum with a peanut roller moving at a trope saying "I don't understand why people bash WP, this horse is a fabulous natural mover." I have an example for hunters, but as we know, I have a dog in that fight and don't want to agrue both sides.

    To sum up, there were elements in the OP that were trolling for a fight. Let's not all act surprised that people showed up for the fight, let's be happy that so far it's polite and civilized.
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        04-16-2013, 08:19 PM
      #34
    Weanling
    Maura, if that is how you took my OP then I am sincerely sorry. That is not at all what I meant to do. My question was just "Is this a place where we can talk about NH or not?" I was not trying to start an argument. I asked to be corrected if I was wrong and gave thanks when I realized I was. I don't know how to be any nicer than I'm being other than to not post at all.

    I was asking a question and I got my answer. Again, thank you.
         
        04-16-2013, 08:43 PM
      #35
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Speed Racer    
    Lots of glitz, smoke and mirrors, circus extravaganza type 'clinics', expensive equipment with cutesy names, DVDs, and paying out the nose to join on-line clubs?
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    Originally Posted by Speed Racer    
    There really IS nothing other than the cost and cutesy names that are different about what some of us consider traditional horsemanship.

    'Natural horsemanship' is a misnomer anyway, as anything we do with horses is hardly what they consider natural. Their natural inclination is to graze, live in a herd and be left alone.
    while I entirely agree with what you've said, OPs point is that this isn't the place to say that.
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        04-16-2013, 08:54 PM
      #36
    Banned
    Farmchic,

    I don't have a problem with anything you've said and you owe me no apologies.

    This section of the forum WAS created for people to discuss NH without being attacked, and I sincerely hope you still free to do so.

    Howèver, I have enough respect for you and others who are interested in the whole subject that I think you're capable of withstanding wild, reckless accusations of glitz, overpriced merchandise and cutesy names without feeling unduly threatened or the integrity of the whole discipline challenged.
         
        04-16-2013, 09:02 PM
      #37
    Yearling
    I hate this stereotype that ALL people who do NH paid $80 bucks for a glorified lunge line and whorship a certain trainer. I found my "stick" (which is what I call it, not a My Little Pony Rainbows And Candy Fun Time Stick) at a garage sale surprisingly enough, for the grand total of.... 5 dollars. I use a regular lunge line. The only online thing I subscribe to is giddyupflix, for $10 dollars a month. I pull methods from different trainers and combine them into what works for me, and works for my horse. My head is firmly planted in reality and my horse knows **** well that he better not place a hoof out of line. I practice natural horsemanship, I'm not a cult member. I'm sure there are thousands of others like me, for every wishy washy cult member person.
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        04-16-2013, 09:27 PM
      #38
    Trained
    Then what on earth are you here for speed racer??
         
        04-16-2013, 09:34 PM
      #39
    Weanling
    I agree GamingGrrl. We're not groupees : )
         
        04-16-2013, 10:13 PM
      #40
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Dustbunny    
    One thing I have noticed about NH methods is that many people get these methods (or parts of the methods) in their heads and it's the NH Way or the Highway. I seems to me this happens more with newer owners/handlers.
    I don't think that's a 'trait' of 'NH' at all, but a trait of... life. A little bit of knowledge can be a dangerous thing & cause 'newbies' of whatever walk to become evangelical & fanatical.
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