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    04-16-2013, 10:36 PM
SpeedRacer is most likely on this thread for the same reason that I am. It was an attention grabbing title. And I still don't know what is unnatural about regular horsemanship. Is the NH crowd the group that tells you it is evil to put shoes on your horse and use saddles and bits?
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    04-16-2013, 10:51 PM
Originally Posted by Celeste    
SpeedRacer is most likely on this thread for the same reason that I am. It was an attention grabbing title. And I still don't know what is unnatural about regular horsemanship. Is the NH crowd the group that tells you it is evil to put shoes on your horse and use saddles and bits?
Some of them. Depends on how "hardcore" they are.
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    04-16-2013, 11:03 PM
I don't understand the "Why are you here" comments. I use the forum by logging in and checking my subscribed threads, then I go click on 'new posts' I don't care what section things are in, I simply look at the titles, then hover over the thing to get a taste of the opening line, and if it sounds interesting I open it and read.

I choose not to receive new posts from some sections, e.g. The politics threads, but the threads I subscribe to I will read and respond to if I want. I have no particular axe to grind, but I do admit to getting quite concerned by the people who have an almost evangelical zeal for one particular trainer, to the extent of damming every other theory or practice.

I hope the one thing that everyone should be able to agree on is that people are all different, we learn in different ways. Likewise our horses are all individuals and should be treated as such, when I am training (read playing with) my horses I take inspiration from lots of areas, some from Parelli, some from Dominique Barbier, a little from Horse Forums, a lot from my trainers, an awful lot from my old farrier. I'm a tradtional, natural, new fangled, old fashioned, clicker training, beat them up and treat them person........unless you have an open mind you can't be successful . Just my view..
    04-16-2013, 11:04 PM
Originally Posted by maura    
do have cutesy names like "patience pole" or "carrot stick" instead of good old fashioned "snubbing post" or "whip." That is a hallmark of the NH marketing ploys that give NH a bad name.
Hmm, as far as 'name brands', I can only speak for what I know of 'PNH', having been (rather fanatically) into that once upon a time. I do believe 'marketing ploys' happen, but I don't believe that was the reasoning behind creating/naming 'carrot sticks' & 'circling games' as different beasts to whips & lunging for eg. The type of stick/whip was because Pat didn't like the flexability of a lunge whip & he decided to call it a 'carrot stick' & make it orange to remind people to take the middle, fair, logical approach, between the 'hit 'em with a stick' attitude & the 'nice horsey, come for a carrot' attitude. That you can be strong or soft with it.

So... not for a minute saying marketing ploys have not become a huge issue, but to me, NH is about the mindset, the attitudes & principles behind what we do/don't do & to that end, I get the concept behind a 'carrot stick' for eg. I think that people rushing on all the merchandise says more about the fans than the practitioners actually. It amazes me what some people will buy for a name!

As GamingGirl said, just because you may identify with NH doesn't mean to say you go out & buy all the fancy schmansy lables - Costs approx $7 for good halter rope, $15 for a general purpose long lead(I like 1/2" thick & around 18' for a lead & reins. I use a simple piece of dowel for a whip/stick, with a loop on the end to attach a string, something to target, etc... But as in any walk of life, generic, 'no name' equipment/clothes, etc, is just not good enough for some people to lower themselves to.

Once there was a Guru. He had a pet cat. Each morning he and his students would gather in a room for meditation practice. Each morning the cat would come in too and distract the students. So the Guru took to tying his cat up in the corner for the meditation class. This went on for many years. Students came and went. One day, the old Guru died. Life went on & the new Guru still tied up the old cat in the corner every morning. One morning the cat wasn't there. They found it had died. No one present could tell the new Guru the reason for the cat tied in the corner at meditation practice but everyone remembered it was something the old Guru thought very important. So they went out & bought a new cat, to keep the important tradition going.

What came out of a sensible, practical solution became pointless, silly superstitious 'tradition' because no one understood why. Unquestioned answers... How many other egs could be given of this??

~Follow what the Master seeks, not the Master.
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    04-16-2013, 11:22 PM
Originally Posted by Celeste    
Is the NH crowd the group that tells you it is evil to put shoes on your horse and use saddles and bits?
NO. A few radicals maybe, sure. Statements like this just try to demean NH followers and treat them like foo foo fairy princesses. I use a leverage bit, I use saddles, I keep one horse shod and one barefoot. Statements like this are exactly like "all WP riders spur stop and catch their horse in the mouth any time they raise their head" and "all dressage people are stuck up and do rollkur". Generic, broad stereotypes are all that they are, and they may apply to a few people, but not the group as a whole. I don't feel comfortable talking about the NH I use in my training on the horse forum (this is the first thread I've mentioned it on in fact) for fear of "it's a glittery disco ball show for the easily amused" comments and people assuming that I must be a Pat Pepperoni follower so my opinions and advice are less meaningful and carry less weight than others.
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    04-16-2013, 11:27 PM
I didn't make a statement. I asked a question.
    04-16-2013, 11:40 PM
Originally Posted by Celeste    
I didn't make a statement. I asked a question.

To answer your question..

I think they use bits, saddles, and arent afraid to let their horse know they did somethin wrong.. I've seen CA swat a horse with the lunge whip and with the end of the lead rope..

You misunderstood natural horsemanship with the term 'hippy'
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    04-17-2013, 12:38 AM
Quote from Loosie "I don't think that's a 'trait' of 'NH' at all, but a trait of... life. A little bit of knowledge can be a dangerous thing & cause 'newbies' of whatever walk to become evangelical & fanatical."

I agree with you.
    04-17-2013, 12:54 AM
Originally Posted by toto    
You misunderstood natural horsemanship with the term 'hippy'
Hey! What's wrong with hippies now??
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    04-17-2013, 12:56 AM
Originally Posted by loosie    
Hey! What's wrong with hippies now??
Nothin.. long as they pass to the left.. lol just kiddin.. just kiddin!!
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