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        04-17-2013, 01:55 AM
      #51
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    I just love this!!!



    Once there was a Guru. He had a pet cat. Each morning he and his students would gather in a room for meditation practice. Each morning the cat would come in too and distract the students. So the Guru took to tying his cat up in the corner for the meditation class. This went on for many years. Students came and went. One day, the old Guru died. Life went on & the new Guru still tied up the old cat in the corner every morning. One morning the cat wasn't there. They found it had died. No one present could tell the new Guru the reason for the cat tied in the corner at meditation practice but everyone remembered it was something the old Guru thought very important. So they went out & bought a new cat, to keep the important tradition going.


    But really, folks, What is NH?

    I think the folks that saw a lack or a need for a new way to approach a horse were the ones that penned that name. Or other people who watched these "new" trainers, and needed a label to differentiate them from the way training had been going on for so long.
    So, like Ray Hunt . . . He saw that things could go a bit easier for the horse if he worked more WITH the horse, than simply using devices to tie it down until is submitted because it had no choice.

    Maybe that's what NH is about; utilizing choice, or creating situations where the horse makes a choice, instead of simply ceasing it's resistance because resistnace is impossible. So, you make the wrong thing difficult, not impossible. The right thing easy . The horse CAN make a bad choice. He can do it a lot, but he will soon find that the other way is easier, and he makes the decision himself, and the idea is that what a sentient being decides to do on their own has more staying power than what they are forced to do.

    So , I think the idea that is the core of natural horsemanship is that you work with the horse's mind more than anything else.

    However, the thing is, GOOD traditional training does pretty much the same thing.
         
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        04-17-2013, 03:35 AM
      #52
    Foal
    I am a nh groupie, yet I cannot safely discuss my horsemanship

    Claire
         
        04-17-2013, 06:03 AM
      #53
    Yearling
    Claire, I've been posting on internet forums for a long time now and one thing that's true of all of them is that anything and everything you post will be up for scrutiny. People will disagree with stuff and they love nothing more than enthusiastically pounding out their views on a keyboard. If I don't feel that I can handle people slagging something off, I don't post it online.
         
        04-17-2013, 06:21 AM
      #54
    Banned
    A long time ago I asked the former admin of this forum to create a separate section for hunters and hunter seat equitation because I was tired of explaining what the discipline was and how it is distinct from other English disciplines. (Sound familiar?)

    I was also tired of the hunter bashers commenting that we weren't real riders because we didn't ride in a full seat, that watching a class is like watching paint dry, that the judging is subjective or political or a fashion contest, that the horses are ridiculously expensive, that the horses are all either drugged or lunged to death, and that rider's positions look like praying mantises, ducks or porn stars.

    Having a separate forum cut down on that, but certainly didn't eliminate it.

    (I feel certain someone with a WP, dressage or gaited background has had similar experiences.)

    Yet I never once posted asking why people were posting in "my" forum or asked that the forum be limited only to supporters of this discipline.

    So to me, the questions are - Why are NH folks so darn sensitive? Why can't they define and defend their discipline in an open conversation like everyone else? And why do they think they're so special that they shouldn't have to?
         
        04-17-2013, 06:58 AM
      #55
    Foal
    @Maura, that was a nicely written post, I'll try to answer.
    I am so sensitive because of personal circumstances which I hope will change in the future. I am on a forum because I currently have little opportunity to interact with like minded people in 'real life'.
    So if I am 'shouted down' , I personally shut down. And I do not stand up for myself.
    It would be nice to come on here and report what I did with my day, my interactions and thoughts on my pony.
    However I feel if I do then several impersonal haters will destroy my day, my interactions and my thoughts.

    Sad.
    Claire
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        04-17-2013, 07:03 AM
      #56
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    Claire, you could always start a blog in the blogs/diaries section of the forum. I haven't seen any discipline bashing or unwanted criticism going on there, and blogs usually tend to gather like minded readers/posters in them.

    Here it is - http://www.horseforum.com/member-journals/
         
        04-17-2013, 07:44 AM
      #57
    Yearling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by clairegillies    
    @Maura, that was a nicely written post, I'll try to answer.
    I am so sensitive because of personal circumstances which I hope will change in the future. I am on a forum because I currently have little opportunity to interact with like minded people in 'real life'.
    So if I am 'shouted down' , I personally shut down. And I do not stand up for myself.
    It would be nice to come on here and report what I did with my day, my interactions and thoughts on my pony.
    However I feel if I do then several impersonal haters will destroy my day, my interactions and my thoughts.

    Sad.
    Claire
    Look at it this way...why would you let people who disagree with you communicated by invisible electrons into a visible form in a place that doesn't really exist by people you don't really know destroy your day? For those of us who've been around the internet forums since-well forever realize that the internet is like a buffet meal, take from it what nourishes you and your tastes and ignore the rest

    Don't read too much into what other people post, and if someone posts something in response you don't like either ignore it or smile and thank them politely for their input.
    loosie, maura and clairegillies like this.
         
        04-17-2013, 07:48 AM
      #58
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    Originally Posted by maura    
    So to me, the questions are - Why are NH folks so darn sensitive? Why can't they define and defend their discipline in an open conversation like everyone else? And why do they think they're so special that they shouldn't have to?
    We don't think we're special. We really don't. We don't defend our "discipline" because it's not one. NH is an umbrella for a group of different trainers and methods. The way I do something might be totally different than the way someone else does it. I have no problem with traditional methods, I chose NH because I have an easier access to it than I do someone who has a traditional horsemanship background. I don't defend it because I don't see the need to. NH to me is my training program, works for me, works for my horse, you don't like it? Bug off. (Not to you, to the haters ) but there is absolutely no need to bash it. My horse isn't abused, isn't disrespectful, and is a contributing member of equine society It's also hard to defend yourself against people who already have their mind made up about it, so it's like talking to a very judgemental, sometimes rude, brick wall. Just my two cents, take it as you will. Hope I haven't offended anyone.
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        04-17-2013, 08:32 AM
      #59
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    Originally Posted by Farmchic    
    I was asking a question and I got my answer. Again, thank you.
    I think the question was answered and the discussion is going in circles now. I'm closing the thread....
         

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