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post #11 of 89 Old 04-01-2013, 10:39 PM
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to me this video is a great example of when somethings not working try something else. I was working with a horse who insisted on doing this backup by going sideways / diagonally. I grabbed my carrot stick to help keep him straight. worked within 3 goes.

But it did work. If you look on the tape in the first 20 sec the horse backed up 3 different times and the handler never released pressure. The horse did it correctly but was never told he did the right thing, from there it went down hill, the horse just guessing as to what was wanted and no clear signals ever given.

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post #12 of 89 Old 04-01-2013, 10:48 PM
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That's the most absurd thing I've seen in a while when it cones to how to teach a horse to do something. WOW
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post #13 of 89 Old 04-01-2013, 10:52 PM
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Poor horse =/ His nose was probably pretty sore after that one. Usually, there are three levels of stimulation when trying to teach a horse to back up with wagging the rope. First you wag your finger, then you gently move your wrist, then harder until they take just one step back. Then you release pressure, praise like they did something truly amazing, and ask again. Eventually, like someone already stated, the horse will back up from just wiggling your finger, like my gelding does now. You don't just sit there and flail the rope around expecting the horse to just understand what you want without praise. No wonder he was getting all sweaty and nervous :(
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post #14 of 89 Old 04-01-2013, 10:58 PM
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That was horrible. I didn't realize it was Linda parelli until a few minutes in. What happened to Ask, Tell, Demand. She went right for demand. She has the worst timing I have ever seen on a supposed big time horse trainer. Makes me glad I don't prescribe to Parelli.

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post #15 of 89 Old 04-01-2013, 11:09 PM
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As Allison Finch said, this is an older video. It apparently received a fair bit of controversy at the time to the point Ms Parelli posted a videotaped rebuttal (not unlike what Mr Anderson did (hers was tamer) as discussed on the other thread here that is currently receiving attention). The gist of that was it was a difficult horse and thus the tactic taken. A number of the other posters have captured my sentiments as to the questionable validity of the method.
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post #16 of 89 Old 04-02-2013, 05:23 AM
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That was horrible. I didn't realize it was Linda parelli until a few minutes in. What happened to Ask, Tell, Demand. She went right for demand. She has the worst timing I have ever seen on a supposed big time horse trainer. Makes me glad I don't prescribe to Parelli.

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I completely agree! This is the equivalent to yelling like a madman before you've asked nicely. Poor pony! How do you ever expect your horse to learn and become "soft" if your first move is to "yell" at them? My horses move back the second I shift my body and raise the lead rope, I rarely have to get to the wiggle, forget about the flailing.
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post #17 of 89 Old 04-02-2013, 07:12 AM
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That was horrible. I didn't realize it was Linda parelli until a few minutes in. What happened to Ask, Tell, Demand. She went right for demand. She has the worst timing I have ever seen on a supposed big time horse trainer. Makes me glad I don't prescribe to Parelli.

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Agree 110%. I guess marrying Pat Parelli made her an instant level 4. She has worse timing that most level one students Ive seen. Not just in this video either. I see it from her all the time.
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post #18 of 89 Old 04-02-2013, 07:42 AM
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I thought this was the WWJJWHACK one...sad to see there are more than that one out there.

She actually has no clue as to what she is wanting to accomplish.

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post #19 of 89 Old 04-02-2013, 09:25 AM
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It explains why most of the 'PPNH horses' I have encountered are mad and sour. I think they only take so much of this kind of crap before they get pi$$ed. I would.

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post #20 of 89 Old 04-02-2013, 10:25 AM
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You are supposed to start with just your finger, then wrist, to elbow to shoulder while swinging the rope. In my case, with a very stubborn 3 yr old, after all that you swing the rope and let it hit him under the jaw so he thinks he hurt himself. He is very lazy, stubborn, and a very slow learner. As for this horse, I don't believe he needed as much push push push, he seemed very high energy where when he learned what they were asking, he would do it in a heartbeat. It's sad to see that good NH methods are made to look bad
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