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    04-10-2013, 02:14 AM
Fargosgirl explained what happened accurately, imo. If one watches attentively, one can see that Linda didn't lose her temper, or get emotional about the horse being frightened, bargey, etc., a good example being when she stood stock still & lowered her head & bodily energy, mirroring the horse when the horse came down off the adrenaline, shown by his standing still & lowering his head.

Also, this was a demonstration for Level 1, gunsels/newbies who are only learning to stay safe & keep the horse safe. For Level 1/kindergarten, it was an adequate demo, since a horse ignoring humans as possibilities of being its leader, thus not respecting their bubble, & right-brainedly trying to leave & find a horse alpha was kept safely with the handler (Linda, who had to take over for owner). One eye only compounded the danger, of course.

The horse could've been handled with more finesse, more inner potency from any number of developed horsemen (Pat could've calmed him down w/ more finesse), but no Level 1 student can be expected to emulate those higher levels, so as a Level 1 demo, it's fine, except for the fact that once they put the horse safely out at end of rope to stand in his "box", Linda failed to instruct as to how to then get him from the box to point B. Eventually, one has got to move one's horse. ;)
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    04-10-2013, 04:38 AM
Afraid trying to justify horrific handling because the student was a 'gunsel' only makes it worse IMO - we can see the guy obviously doesn't have a clue & he hasn't got much chance of learning better only being instructed by a confusing bully with bad timing! Yes, I did notice she didn't lose her temper (noticably), she did negatively reinforce the horse once or twice, but whoop de do - far too little good points, that don't make what she demonstrated OK.

BTW, in case of assumptions, I don't at all have a prob with force when necessary, including 'bumping' a horse with a halter when necessary, I do understand the (supposed) principles behind it & the exercises & methods I use include a lot of (older) Parelli stuff.
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    04-10-2013, 10:27 AM
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There are far less confrontational ways to 'get a horse to move'
It just looked to me as if all the problems the horse was having and its behavioral issues were actually being caused by the method being used here. It was a hindrance not a help.
Would have been better to have not created the confusion in the first place.
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    04-10-2013, 10:34 AM
Originally Posted by tbcrazy    
Do you do parelli? If so, you're one of the first I've heard of that doesn't use a metal buckle :)
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Yes, I do do Parelli. I also follow some of Buck Brannaman's too, but I follow Parelli as well.Honestly, I am not that surprised with the hardware issue. Not many people stop to think what JUST the hardware is doing.
    04-10-2013, 10:51 AM
Originally Posted by amberly    
yes, I do do Parelli. I also follow some of Buck Brannaman's too, but I follow Parelli as well.Honestly, I am not that surprised with the hardware issue. Not many people stop to think what JUST the hardware is doing.
Good for you. And if more people 'stopped to think' I believe a lot of horses would be better off. Unfortunately it seems like people get sucked into believing in only one way, and the equipment that goes with it instead of using their own judgement :/ I like Brannaman too; his daughter will be teaching the colt starting class next year at the local university.
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    04-10-2013, 11:36 AM
A lot of the NH halter and longer lead / lunge rope sets have the buckle on them. PP does, CA does, and a few other trainers. I don't like using these on my horses, the buckle can hurt the horse. I actually had an EX-trainer use one and broke her horses teeth when the buckle hit. I can't stand having all that weight right there either.

If I'm not mistaken Pat and Linda met at a clinic where she had a "problem" horse... She should NOT be taking up training, Pat is alright in my opinion, but Linda has no right to be doing this. The video whether out of context or not is very harsh and there is NO release at all, this is one confused horse. Some people wonder why there are so many problem horses, because people like her create them and think they are "training."

I saw / met her at Midwest Horse Fair last year and didn't like her overall attitude. People were asking her questions regarding training and so forth. She couldn't answer with a straight answer, deflected and had an overall arrogant attitude. She was more than willing to sell their products though and give the whole thing on how and why they work better than anything on the market. Didn't really make me want to be interested or follow Parelli TBH.
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    04-10-2013, 02:25 PM
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I don't like that 10 lb snap because *I* always got hit with it!!!! OUCH!

    04-10-2013, 04:03 PM
"What in the world is going on here?"

In response to the title....

The 'trainer' has been impowered to think they know what they are doing. Many many people throw millions of $ at the trainer, and so they never question themselves and continue with their arrogant ways.

Supporters see videos like this, or the Catwalk video and continue to blindly follow, even justify what they have seen.

End result - I will never ever buy a Parellified horse. Those poor beasts.
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    04-10-2013, 04:16 PM
What we have here is an incompetent, over-confident, over-paid nutjob with a terrible sense of timing, who loses her temper when she can't get immediate results and takes it out on the horse.

Let's forget, for a moment, about the last name of this "trainer." Let's forget who she is married to.

In fact, let's pretend that it's a totally different person, but treating the same animal the same way. Flailing about, whacking a half-blind horse with the metal clip and smacking it in the face with her hand, never giving the animal a hint about what she wants it to do RIGHT but so quick to punish punish punish everything it does "wrong."

Let's pretend this video was taken in the warm-up arena at a horse show. You know, where all those "terrible, traditional, abusive" horse people go to chase after ribbons and points and supposedly don't understand what it means to hav a bond with a horse.

Would all those people who say there's "nothing wrong with what's happening" in this video be so quick to defend everything that's happening here, if it was done by anyone else BUT a Parelli?
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    04-10-2013, 04:17 PM
Wow only watched the first two minutes. What the hay was going on there!!! I mean, I get the concept but OUCH! That was a tad to harsh in my books.
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