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post #71 of 89 Old 04-10-2013, 09:42 PM
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Smrobs, I had the misfortune of seeing that video too, and I clearly remember the same thing you do. However all videos with a negative slant are removed by PP and they force others to remove them too.


Northern, from time to time, horses will kill each other. Anything can be argued as not as bad as horses will do to each other.

People need to wake up.
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post #72 of 89 Old 04-10-2013, 10:37 PM
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Do you do parelli? If so, you're one of the first I've heard of that doesn't use a metal buckle :)
When I first got into 'PNH', being a relative novice re training, not having many good egs to learn from otherwise, seeing the 'magic' that Pat demonstrated... did start with a heavy snap on a heavy rope, caused my very compliant horse to become resistive...

Apart from learning that there were other clearer ways to get your message across & back it up, I do even now like the *principle* behind teaching backing up with wiggling a finger/rope. It's not the particular cue you use that is problematic IME, but the way it's done.

One of the things that I decided early in the piece is that I didn't like the heavy rope & snap. Aside from the arguments about whacking horses with heavy snaps, the point of the rope halter IMO, training-wise is not just that you can potentially get 'strong' if needed because of the thin rope, but that it's light & comfortable, so the horse gets it's 'release' when you quit asking & (should) hardly feel the headgear. Something heavy dragging on his nose & poll negate that plus.

So I've always(well, since a few months in... remember getting told it was wrong at a PNH clinic I attended not too far into my 'trip') used a soft(not stiff) yacht braid rope halter, adjusted so the nosepiece isn't low on their sensitive nose & fragile bones... oh & no 'strategic' knots over the horse's nose either, with a light 1/2" yacht braid rope, tied on as you tie the halter.
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Northern, from time to time, horses will kill each other. Anything can be argued as not as bad as horses will do to each other.
Yes! I've never got why people think that's a reasonable argument for paying out on a horse - it's just not rational.
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Apart from learning that there were other clearer ways to get your message across & back it up, I do even now like the *principle* behind teaching backing up with wiggling a finger/rope. It's not the particular cue you use that is problematic IME, but the way it's done.

I once had a barn owner tell me how ill mannered my mare at the time was because she didn't back up to a wiggled lead rope. Heck at that time, I wouldn't have known that horses do that. I ride English, I am still yet to have a horse who would back up to that, likely never will.
Now if you pull back on the lead rope, every horse I have ever owned would back up until you told them to stop. Put a palm on their chest, same deal - a wiggled rope, nope not ever.
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am still yet to have a horse who would back up to that, likely never will.
Now if you pull back on the lead rope, every horse I have ever owned would back up until you told them to stop. Put a palm on their chest, same deal - a wiggled rope, nope not ever.
Yep, and direct backward pressure is the main way I'd 'back up'(pardon the pun!) my backup cue when teaching the horse, so I don't have to get heavy handed & cause *reactions* such as we saw in the vid. Each to their own as far as the particular cues we teach our horses I reckon - particular cues may be more or less valuable in different situations & if you only ride in arenas & such, there's probably no need to teach a horse to do things like backing up 'remotely', but the reason I like teaching horses 'remote' cues is because I ride in the bush, mountains, narrow, steep trails & such & find it valuable that they know how to go forwards, backwards or sideways, turn towards or away from me when I'm at a distance, in the case of narrow, hairy trails for eg.
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Not trying to fuel the fire anymore but this was posted on her blog recently...

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Being Natural in the Normal World

by Linda Parelli on April 4, 2012


Sometimes it’s really hard. It’s hard to watch horses being smacked and jerked around, being pulled in the mouth. It’s hard to witness their emotional confusion, stress and pain. It’s hard not to blame the human, to refrain from saying “you’re doing it wrong!”

But sometimes I am there and I just have to know that somehow I am part of this. Part of the problem and yet part of the solution. That book Zero Limits by Joe Vitale really puts it into words.

These past few weeks, I’ve seen more than I care to, and having that exposure presents a choice – criticize and condemn, or understand and educate. I choose the latter.

Sure, it’s hard at times. I get sad and mad, but somehow I collect myself and stop the judgment. Somehow it is perfect. I am renewed with motivation and am more passionate about our cause than ever.
This just astounds me, that she post something like that after seeing her handle horses both in person and in the videos the way she does. I think she needs some more tranining before being unleashed on the horses. :/ I think she has pulled the wool over her own eyes so to speak, and doesn't realize how she is actually reacting and what she's doing to these horses.
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^^^^^^ oh good lawd...if ever there was a pair of snake oil salesmen...these two would be it.

They over complicate everything.....everything....and they do it to make people feel insecure about using their own common sense....because the methods they use are non-sensical to me and many others, and we didn't just roll out if the turnip patch...
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Oh God . . . That just makes me disrespect her even more. It's disturbing.
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She's a moron, plain and simple.

I think most of us have lost our cool at some point, I know I have for sure been frustrated. However she is supposed to be a professional she lost her cool while working - I don't think I've ever done that.
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post #80 of 89 Old 04-11-2013, 06:55 PM
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HAHAHA. I read this as "She is a MORMON, plain and simple."

I was like woah, wait, WHAT?! haha! I need to learn to read.

On another note, I have no words for her blog message and that video....none.
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