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post #81 of 89 Old 04-11-2013, 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Annanoel View Post
I think she needs some more tranining before being unleashed on the horses.
Ah but in Pat's words, you can lead a man to knowledge but you can't make him think!
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post #82 of 89 Old 04-12-2013, 09:09 AM
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Jolly Badger You totally got it right. If Parelli fans saw these things being done by anyone else they'd be calling for the Animal Protection groups.
Its time people started looking through the rainbows and frilly language that a lot of these 'trainers' spew out and smell some of the s**t as well as the roses
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It may sometimes be necessary to send a lot of energy down the line so that it snaps the halter (thus, don't use metal clips!). If the horse is fixated somewhere else and is about to walk right over the top of you, you need to get his mind back on you, pronto. There are other ways to move a horse's mind.
You can also take the end of the lead rope and twirl it and smack it real hard into the ground. It makes a loud noise and will get the horse's attention immediadately, without actually hitting him.

THEN, you try to move his feet. You don't try to move his feet until you have his mind . I know that she was trying to get him mind, but the repeated, rythmic jerkind on the halter were not doing it, and were only building the horse's tolerance to that kind of stuff.

A horse that is really worried like that one should be allowed to move his feet, to deal with his anxiety. NOT into the handler, but around the handler. Forcing it to stand still is only going to bottle up the stress.

The timing was just so awful, in every part except when she finally noticed he was ready to put his head down and she joined him. I was half expecting the horse to get so frustrated as to come up and over her.
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Agreed with above comments. You should always think of the end goal, which for ME is an obedient leading/tying/riding horse who understands my cues and body language. I prefer to teach "back" and then get my horse to listen to either the English and/or a pull back on the nose with the halter, and/'or a wave of the lead and stop after one or two steps. I am thrilled that my big gelding will back up to 10 steps or just one step at a time when I enter his stall, wave my hand up and say, "back."
I think that hands on teaching is missing.

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I actually have used this method, correctly, and with better results, I might add, and yes, if the horse is not paying attention something needs to be done to get it before you just continue yanking the horse around. THe end of those leads works well, but I would be swinging it at the horses chest, myself-better yet, my stick.....my horse knows that if he is not paying attention and is asked to back-the stick swings in front of him at chest level. If he does not move-it WILL hit hit. I swing it and walk. If he isn't backing, it will make contact. He learned quickly that when ask he better pay attention. THe other method is to generate "energy" with your hands and arms. I do that sometimes, especially if the horse has no halter on and I have nothing. Arms up, hands flat open, making a pushing motion as you walk toward the horse.....hands will be on either side of their head if they don't move-may even smack them if they don't get away. Usually that only happens once.

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I could not watch all of it .Very sad for the horse
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Really sad because the guy probably paid BIG BUCKS to be there!!!

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post #88 of 89 Old 05-06-2013, 06:55 PM
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I actually have used this method, correctly, and with better results,
You mean to say you did it better than that eg?? Really?? You must be a wizard!! That's worth boasting about!
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This video is pretty old and one of the first videos put out in order to "debunk" Parelli's methods. The horse is blind in one eye and (I didn't watch the whole video since I've seen it before) if this video goes on, Linda takes the horse and cracks it a couple times on it's blind side for not listening to her WHILE she's on the blind side. The poor thing couldn't see her, so the horse really didn't have a chance to respond "correctly".

If this is the "incorrect" way to do Parelli (IMHO, theres no correct Parelli method), then Linda is quit incorrect, and she is supposed to be the correct one since she's selling this stuff and whatnot.

I've retrained too many Parelli "failures" to believe that program works. I've seen the videos. The horses look confused and rushed. We had a horse in training who Parelli personally said to put down because he was so insane. He's now a 5ft show jumper, thanks to my instructor.

So, excuse my prejudice. I've seen too many train wrecks leave that program.
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