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    02-05-2011, 07:35 PM
  #101
Foal
I have not really read alot into them because the people that I know that have worked with parelli horses say they are hard to work with if you do not already know their methods... my wife and I like Clinton Anderson... all of our horses respond well to this so far
     
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    02-05-2011, 08:07 PM
  #102
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(I skipped all posts after kiwis first statement, need to answer that now:)

Kiwi, I absolutely was not aiming my post at you! I wasn't even thinking of you as one of the people who've been unfair to PP's program, moreover, I wasn't thinking of you at all! (or anyone else, just to troubleshoot :))

Ok, back to reading.
     
    02-05-2011, 08:44 PM
  #103
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Originally Posted by tinyliny    
Why oh why does this question of Parelli and the validity of his methods , program and marketing techniques get people SO hot under the collar? I mean, critisize Monty Roberts, or Cllinton Anderson or Julie Goodnight and it doesn't start a firestorm. Why PP?
I know, huh? I find it an interesting puzzle. Possibilitities:

1. The role modeling: PP's charismatic & LP's a hottie in lots of people's eyes, PP & LP have a successful partnership romantically & business-wise, they teach safety with horses, they're living their all-American success story, so folks wanna be just like them.

2. As far as the humble horsemanship itself: PP's an innovative horseman, & LP's come up with catchy stuff, too (Fluidity). They've added the element of fun to the learning process.

3. Marketing: obviously, they propagandize gorgeously that their way/tools/courses, etc. are IT, superior in all respects.

4. It's easy to be a kool-aider: Kool-aiders can hand over their independent thought & questions of the horsemanship program/any incident involving a horse, in exchange for the perks, one of which is how easy it is to not check out reality for yourself, to ignore the hard questions, to avoid the awkwardness of asking PP the hard questions.
     
    02-05-2011, 09:11 PM
  #104
Green Broke
You know, after re-thinking, I believe one of the techniques I use with horses may have been derived from a Parelli method, perhaps you can tell me if you recognize it Northern?

It is for horses that are spooky of objects. In short, I was told to direct them away from the object with my hands (i.e. Through rein contact) but to push them towards the object with seat/legs. The overall effect being that the horse garners comfort from the fact that you are 'steering' them away from the object but in actual fact the end result is that you walk past it in a relatively straight line without the huge 'spooky' response. Works a charm.

I didn't learn this from a video, but from another trainer years ago who heard it from someone else who apparently got it from Parelli. No idea if it really is a 'Parelli' method or not. Either way it works. But brings up another interesting point: I am willing to listen to a trainer that is in front of me and has good advice because I can ask questions for greater understanding. Learning from a video is not interactive enough for me which is probably why I wouldn't consult the Parelli series for advice if I needed it.
     
    02-05-2011, 09:29 PM
  #105
Trained
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Originally Posted by Northern    
I know, huh? I find it an interesting puzzle. Possibilitities:

1. The role modeling: PP's charismatic & LP's a hottie in lots of people's eyes, PP & LP have a successful partnership romantically & business-wise, they teach safety with horses, they're living their all-American success story, so folks wanna be just like them. I find that insulting. I find him anything BUT charismatic, and she is nothing more than a Barbie doll. About as much brain, too, IMO.

2. As far as the humble horsemanship itself: PP's an innovative horseman, & LP's come up with catchy stuff, too (Fluidity). They've added the element of fun to the learning process. Frankly, I find them boring. Actually fell asleep watching their videos. Not exactly my definition of "catchy".

3. Marketing: obviously, they propagandize gorgeously that their way/tools/courses, etc. are IT, superior in all respects. BINGO! Marketing savvy is about the only real "savvy " the have.

4. It's easy to be a kool-aider: Kool-aiders can hand over their independent thought & questions of the horsemanship program/any incident involving a horse, in exchange for the perks, one of which is how easy it is to not check out reality for yourself, to ignore the hard questions, to avoid the awkwardness of asking PP the hard questions.
I am puzzled that you say this. You are obviously a supporter, so are you, then, a "kool aider"? I also think this is pretty insulting of most people, actually.
Frankly, I think the answer is simple to me. PP has managed to market himself very, very, well. The others, even CA and the likes are not as prolific in putting out dvd's (my theory would be they are actually DOING horsemanship, rather than all the blah blah blah of PP). The Parelli name is out there, and he is the one that most people know the most about. Good, bad, and the very ugly. (especially that squirrel on his lip.)

Yes, I happen to take lessons and board my horse at the barn of a "Parelli" instructor. Therefore, I am pretty familiar with much of it. However, I am very fortunate that my instructor is NOT one of the totally brainwashed Parelli types, and realizes that Parelli methods are one way, NOT the only one. He was a trainer, and a good one, PRIOR to becoming PP ceritified. I have NO idea what possessed him.

There was real NH prior to PP and there will be after.

FWIW-Totally agree with the statement someone made about PP mot adressing issues with the horse not doing as planned-others do. CA for one.

Again-totally looking forward to the Road to the horse in a couple of weeks-it will be a good one for sure!
     
    02-05-2011, 09:34 PM
  #106
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Sarahver, that technique isn't in my Level 1 or 2, but I may have seen it during my month of being a savvy club online member, when I had access to all past sc dvd's. I think I do recall seeing that. I def recall them saying don't try & force horse to approach the object.

To be sure, you could ask spirithorse who's in the thick of it, might still be at PP's land. She hangs out on Natural Horsemanship under Horse Training.
     
    02-05-2011, 09:44 PM
  #107
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Frank&beans, no, I'm not a kool-aider! I could never have posted what I have & be a kool-aider, right?

I can't be a kool-aider because I reserve the right to retain my own critical thinking, & ask my questions of PP & org.

I've tried to discover the actual facts of Parelli: the cult phenom, as well as the problems & successes of the horsemanship program, the latter having helped many horses.

Supporter of the good, constructive critic of the bad. :)
     
    02-05-2011, 09:45 PM
  #108
Green Broke
^^Just thought I would throw it in there. I heard (through two degrees of separation) that it was a Parelli method and took that for granted. Tried it and it worked. Whether or not it is a Parelli method and whether or not it was around before him I can't say for sure.

The point is, I was open to trying the technique, no matter where it came from, as it made good sense to me. The fact that it worked was additional benefit. Don't get me wrong, I don't own a single DVD and don't plan to. But if a trainer that I have respect for tells me that he uses a 'Parelli' method, can explain how and when it is used and to what benefit, I'll probably give it a go.

But I'd probably have to be there in person to hear the explanation. Just my own personal preferance.
     
    02-05-2011, 09:51 PM
  #109
Trained
Exactly Sarah. That is why it is So good to take all the tips you can, try them and if they work for you one thast horse-great! If not-back into the toolbox to try on another one at another time.

Northern-sorry-I kinda see you as a kool-aider.....a bit too PP for me, but we can agree to disagree. Shoot-that is what I do every day at the barn, and we all get along great!
     
    02-05-2011, 09:54 PM
  #110
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Well, in Pat's own words, NHS is simply vaquero horsemanship, so the vaquero's prob pointed the nose away from the object, but legged the haunch toward it.

Frank&beans, hey, you can't say that, I haven't cloned LP's style, & I still bug them with my inconvenient questions! :)
     

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