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    02-05-2011, 10:48 PM
  #121
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Northern-I think peoples complaints come from the whole "feely" "partner stuff.
I'm not talking about anything hokey/divorced from the reality of the horse.
The "feel" that I'm talking about is your presentation to the horse, that is all that he has to go on. The horse can feel your intentions & emotions, & if you want to have more than a master/slave relationship with him, then you 'll deal with your intentions & emotions so that they are Friendly/Helpful.

Like Pat says, "Anybody can make a horse do something, but can you cause your horse to want to do it/be with you?
     
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    02-05-2011, 10:53 PM
  #122
Green Broke
I agree with Franknbeans my horse does as I say, when and as I say it. He gets very little say in the relationship and that is how it should be.
All my horses are happy to see me, they all want to be around me because they are secure in thier position in the herd.

Reeco is so happy to see me that he will canter to me in the field 100% of the time. The rest all come to call (normaly much faster then at walk), they all whinney everytime I see them. I can sit in the middle of the field and ponies will come and stand with me. I've walked up to stan who was lieing down in the field, sat down next to him and he shoved his head in my lap for petting. All give cuddles and kisses and go everywhere with their ears forwards. Go in a trailer? Of course they go in the trailer!, go in a strange stable, yep do that too. Walk under a curtain of rattly beads (fly curtains for commercial kitchens)? Yep no problem. Give kisses and cuddles, yep that too, infact they all love kisses and cuddles.
     
    02-05-2011, 10:59 PM
  #123
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Then, you've got a good feel going between you & your horses.
     
    02-05-2011, 11:01 PM
  #124
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Let me address the 'behind the vertical' comment. This comes from over-doing the flexing thing. It is also the reason I believe he has had problems with showing World level reiners. His horses are so thoroughly trained to give to bit pressure and get behind the bit so thoroughly that they have short, mincy little steps when they do their turn-arounds and they back quite slow and again with mincy steps for World-class reiners.

I do not know how familiar you are with current reining trends, but a horse being behind the vertical and a horse with its head carried low in not a fault but a modern trend. I, personally, do not like it, but they have proven that a horse can keep its shoulders up while its head is down. They have proven that a horse behind the vertical can slide 30 feet, change leads smoother than a dressage horse and do it all at a full run or collected in complete frame on a loose rein and do it very well at 3 1/2 years of age.

How is it so different than the rollkur technique that the Grand Prix dressage riders use at home? I know it has come under fire but it has not stopped the top trainers and riders from using it.

Where CA shines is in his program for beginners and teaching them to get their spoiled, pushy horses under control. Over-flexing is never going to be a problem for them and he does not pretend to put out reining DVDs. He leaves that to Flarida, Schmersal, McQuay etc.
     
    02-05-2011, 11:06 PM
  #125
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Where CA shines is in his program for beginners and teaching them to get their spoiled, pushy horses under control. Over-flexing is never going to be a problem for them and he does not pretend to put out reining DVDs. He leaves that to Flarida, Schmersal, McQuay etc.
Praise the Lord for that!

Informative post, Cherie!
     
    02-05-2011, 11:11 PM
  #126
Trained
Thanks Cherie-the whole "reining" thing is where my current instructor and I agree to disagree. I cringe every time he even mentions PP doing reining, or suggests I might like to try the PP "reining" saddle. Again-I will at least listen to his theories on basics, but prefer to listen to any others above (and more, as you mentioned) when it comes to something as precise as reining. Noone, horse nor person, can do everything well, IMO.
     
    02-05-2011, 11:15 PM
  #127
Trained
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Originally Posted by Cherie    
Let me address the 'behind the vertical' comment. This comes from over-doing the flexing thing. It is also the reason I believe he has had problems with showing World level reiners. His horses are so thoroughly trained to give to bit pressure and get behind the bit so thoroughly that they have short, mincy little steps when they do their turn-arounds and they back quite slow and again with mincy steps for World-class reiners.

This has nothing to do with why PP will never be able to ride train or show World Class reiners. He has no clue as to what it should be. The video I posted showed that. That horse was not behind the vertical nor was it well trained IMO. It was a horse who was forced to turn and did not learn how to turn properly. All my horses flex to where every I want them to be at. I can get my reiners to flex to the point their nose it touching their chest and still do all the maneuver correctly. However that is not the look I want and will not score well in the show pen.

I do not know how familiar you are with current reining trends, but a horse being behind the vertical and a horse with its head carried low in not a fault but a modern trend. I, personally, do not like it, but they have proven that a horse can keep its shoulders up while its head is down. They have proven that a horse behind the vertical can slide 30 feet, change leads smoother than a dressage horse and do it all at a full run or collected in complete frame on a loose rein and do it very well at 3 1/2 years of age.

Shawn started this about 10 or so years ago. He is the master at getting a horse to drag both ends at the stop. Here is a good example of it.



How is it so different than the rollkur technique that the Grand Prix dressage riders use at home? I know it has come under fire but it has not stopped the top trainers and riders from using it.

Where CA shines is in his program for beginners and teaching them to get their spoiled, pushy horses under control. Over-flexing is never going to be a problem for them and he does not pretend to put out reining DVDs. He leaves that to Flarida, Schmersal, McQuay etc.
CA and Stacy Westfall to me are trainers Proven in what they do. Where PP is a showman in the seance he likes to take a horse and do neat things with it to catch the newbies eye and say you too can do this after you buy all my DVD Halter and caret sticks.
     
    02-05-2011, 11:20 PM
  #128
Showing
Aah, I love to watch a Flarida trained horse do his thing. I think the thing that caught my eye most about him above all the others is that most of his horses actually finish out their rollbacks as opposed to jumping out halfway through. I love that.
     
    02-05-2011, 11:23 PM
  #129
Trained
I agree. He does all the little things that makes it look easy. Which it is not. He also takes the horses natural ability and uses it. I also like the fact that ZFH passes that stop down.
     
    02-09-2011, 11:47 PM
  #130
Foal
Here's what I learned!
PARELLI IS NOT FOR BEGINNERS! Clinton Anderson is better for beginners. Parelli can be hard to follow for someone starting out.

I used to dislike Parelli very much. I agree that it doesn't work for all horses but I've found some horses that it works with. Here's what I think now. I used to be very anti Parelli.

1. I was anti because I met some ladies who never rode their horses and had bored pushy horses in a roundpen whenever they worked with them.
2. People told me Parelli didn't use bits, etc.
3. I met more crazy Parelli people
4. I can't stand Linda Parelli

But, then I got a hold of some Parelli videos where he's actually working the horse and not advertising his products. And I was surprised to see him actually do decent groundwork. He was firm enough with the horses. He didn't let them run all over him like the cult ladies do with their horses. You can tell he's not an idiot about working with horses. But I sure do hate his advertising where he stands there and talks and talks and talks. So now after learning more about the actual Parelli method and seeing photos of Parelli people actually riding in reining, english, etc, I can see it's not so bad. I also finally tried it and it works great if you know horse body language.

I unfortunately also saw some videos of Linda. She is rough, has no good timing, and doesn't have good feel. I avoid every single video that Linda is demonstrating. She doesn't seem horse savvy to me.
     

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