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post #251 of 280 Old 02-27-2011, 06:26 PM
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YOO-hoo! christopher!

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By this, do you mean that you'll help the horse "blow thru the shoulder" till he finds that it isn't so much fun, after all, & so he decides he'd rather not?
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Yes,
In some cases where the horse has found an escape and is not listening to a leg cue and is at that level if training it will work.

It is much more work for them to travel this way.
Another fine example of reverse psychology for you, christopher. See, not only LP uses it on horses.
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post #252 of 280 Old 02-27-2011, 06:48 PM
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nrhareiner seems to understand me.
perhaps because we're both reining riders/trainers :/
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post #253 of 280 Old 02-27-2011, 07:02 PM
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Another fine example of reverse psychology for you, christopher. See, not only LP uses it on horses.
regardless of that, it defies parelli's principle of "maintain direction" (true straightness) being priority 2, and his method of achieving that.

"maintain direction" can't be achieved by saying "left = more left". because the pattern will tell the horse that when it wants to go left, it should go more left.

maintain direction is achieved by "left = right" in equal measures. that way when the horse wants to go left, it will also go right in an equal amount, resulting in the horse staying straight.

the reason i teach the horse to go more in the opposing direction is because when the horse deviated it tells me the horse isn't even in the first place, so straightness no longer is the priority, evenness in left/right is the new priority. because evenness in left/right results in straightness.

i dont know how i can make this any simpler :s

i suppose an easy way of saying it is, if the horse were to make a 5 degree turn to the left, rider should from there take a 10 degree turn to the right. 5 degrees to get back to the straight, and another 5 degrees because straight lines aren't the issue, evenness in left/right is the issue, and the horse turning 5 to the left in the first place told us exactly how uneven the horse is, and exactly how much we have to do to solve it.
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nrhareiner are you a trainer? 'cause I thought that you hire trainers?
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nrhareiner are you a trainer? 'cause I thought that you hire trainers?
I do both. I train some of my horses. Start all of them and once I bring them home I continue working them and keep them going. It depends on the horse. I am primarily a breeder/owner any more and since I breed NRHA Open level horses I use NRHA Open level trainers/riders.

That being said I know how to train and have done so in the past. You will find that most reining breeders have a very very good idea of what it takes to train and most of us also compete so again we must know what it takes to not only train a horse but more importantly keep the horse honest. That is much much harder then actually training one.

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[QUOTE=christopher;943497]
i dont know how i can make this any simpler :s Have my explanations not been perfectly simple? The same thought arises in me![QUOTE]

christopher, you even had your definition of reverse psychology wrong at start, & no acknowledgement of my giving you the info on that.

Once more: a good horseman doesn't always do direct opposition/direct opposition & then some to cause a horse to learn to walk straight. He might use reverse psychology, he might use something else.

You could also express appreciation for my & other's time & effort spent explaining to you.
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Well nrhareiner I think the horses keep me honest. I have seen lots of reining trainers and I will leave it at that. I guess you send them away when they are too much for you or you're too busy. Do actually compete or do you hire people to do that?
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Once more: a good horseman doesn't always do direct opposition/direct opposition & then some to cause a horse to learn to walk straight. He might use reverse psychology, he might use something else.

You could also express appreciation for my & other's time & effort spent explaining to you.
Amen. Please a good horseman is honest and true. A good horseman loves his horse and is creative which involves a lot of reverse psychology and innovative thinking.... I love it!
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post #259 of 280 Old 02-27-2011, 07:31 PM
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BTW Chris Cox is the winner....
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post #260 of 280 Old 02-27-2011, 07:36 PM
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OMG! TLO! our hero lost!
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