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    01-30-2011, 07:12 PM
  #21
Weanling
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Originally Posted by faye    
I hate parelli and that is putting it nicely.

I firmly believe that it creates more problems then it solves, the vast majority of problem horses I come accross are just bad mannered horses that have een "parelliized".

I've seen a horrific display put on by Pat himself where he essentialy mentally tortured a horse for an hour and then took his legs out from under him!

It has a cult like following and sells a big orange stick marketed as a "carrot stick" for 30. This amazing device can also be found for under 5 in all tack stores accross the country, commonly known as a schooling whip!

22ft feather line - 30 from parelli. Lunge line (exactly the same, just put a knot in it at 22ft) - 5 from any tack shop!

Most followers are amatures who follow it religiously and preach parelli at every one. I'm sick of having it rammed down my throaght!

Ohhh I'm a good girl I actualy managed to stay relativly polite in this post.

YEAH!!! I feel the same way. Good marketing ...

Common horse sense does not make your whip better than mine, lol.
     
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    01-30-2011, 07:30 PM
  #22
Foal
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Originally Posted by Vannah    
What is your opinion on Linda and Pat, and their training methods?
I don't have an opinion on Pat and Linda as I don't know them.

For absolute beginners like me, I find the program fantastic to follow. My horse is reponding, we are both growing in confidence and I love the safety training. It makes sense to me if I can master control of my horse at the ground level, then I can confidently move to do that from the saddle.
     
    01-30-2011, 07:42 PM
  #23
Started
It's a big crock, if you ask me.

All he does is take training methods (then screws them up) that have been used for years upon years, changing them a bit, and then calls them his own. Games with my horses? No thanks. They are not children. Then, he takes a piece of training equipment, slaps his brand on it, then expects people to pay triple what the exact same thing would cost in a local tack store.

It may work for some people, but I'll stick with my trusted Clinton Anderson.
     
    01-30-2011, 07:43 PM
  #24
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by GreenTreeFrog    
I don't have an opinion on Pat and Linda as I don't know them.

For absolute beginners like me, I find the program fantastic to follow. My horse is reponding, we are both growing in confidence and I love the safety training. It makes sense to me if I can master control of my horse at the ground level, then I can confidently move to do that from the saddle.
Unfortunatly it doesnt work like that in reality. My little youngster is fantastic to handle, has the manners of a saint inhand and will do anything I ask of him. He is currently being a little Sh1t to break in and ride! Nothing to do with his ground manners everything to do with the fact that I've taken away the safety net of me standing where he can see me and he is throwing a wobbler about it!
     
    01-30-2011, 07:56 PM
  #25
Weanling
I think parelle caught the world at a good time, Just when horses and natural methods are becoming popular. I am not going to say he is a "bad horseman" or the program is horrible, but I think we could all get the same results by educating ourselves, listening to and responding to our horse's individual personality and needs, and not falling for the overprice equiptment that can be bought at most local tack stores ( as others have stated ).
     
    01-30-2011, 07:56 PM
  #26
Foal
Bit like raising kids, many methods, not all work for all kids in every situation.
     
    01-30-2011, 08:21 PM
  #27
Foal
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Originally Posted by GreenTreeFrog    
Bit like raising kids, many methods, not all work for all kids in every situation.

Yeah, like I'm awesome, and my brother is awful.

Just because your cranky mare responds to Parelli, doesn't mean your spooky gelding will.
     
    01-30-2011, 08:24 PM
  #28
Foal
I've really tried doing the Parelli games with my horse. She doesn't respond to them because she's so mellow (most of the time xD). She doesn't move off of pressure very well, unless its pushing on her nose to get her to back up. But, me and her have a great bond anyway. She follows me everywhere, wants to be scratched, I can even lead her to and from the barn by just her chin. I didn't learn that from Parelli, I learned that from bonding with my horse.
     
    01-30-2011, 08:43 PM
  #29
Green Broke
Every horse I've ever met that has been "parellied" to any significant level of parelli has either been incredibly badly behaved or has been bored or badgered into submission and all the spark and joy for life has gone from thier eyes. I've never yet seen one that is happy to see you, they have all been listless and dead in the eye. I'm not talking about those that play the occasional game, more those that have had nothing else for a good while and who's owners are indoctrinated.

I personaly and not afraid to give my youngster (or any of my horses) a **** good wollop if I feel they are taking liberties. They still love me, they whinney for me and come to call at the canter. They also give kisses on command and have a wonderful lust for life. They know thier place, are secure in their place and don't take liberties very often but are affectionate and interested at other times.
My youngster pushes his boundaries occassionaly but is firmly brought back into line. He has that incredible curiosity of a young animal, that little spark of mischief in his eyes that says I'm here and happy, you may be boss but I just wonder if you'll let me get away with this? And yes he gives cuddles, kisses and even sloppy kisses (likes to lick my glasses!). He wouldnt dare kick me or bite me, he got a hefty smack on the arse for threatening the day after I got him home and he has never done so again!

In contrast there was one lady on the yard who was very heavily into parelli and natural horsemanship, she had a horse of the same age, similar breeding and tempremant she was forever being kicked and bitten, the horse just ran wild, pulled away from her and generaly arsed around, occassionaly spanround and gave her owner both barrells. She asked me to look after her for one night, the little mare went to give me a solid kick and got a smack for her efforts, she never tried to kick me again, infact I ended up bringing her in from the field regularly because the lady believed the horse was "listening to my natural body language" and behaved better for me. Your **** right she behaved better for me but it isnt natural body language its the fact that she respects me and knows she wont get away with it.

Sorry but parelli is one of thos things I could rant on about for hours!
     
    01-30-2011, 08:44 PM
  #30
Showing
Eh, I tend to take the Parelli's with a grain of salt. I never have liked Linda but Pat was much better when he was just starting out as a clinician quite a few years ago. Back then, his program really was about teaching basic safety and horsemanship to people who were perhaps not quite so experienced. However, over the years, the money and fame appears to have gone to his head and he seems more concerned with selling you his overpriced DVDs and tack than actually solving problems that the normal horse owner has. Now, it's all about buying his special halter and teaching your horse to jump over cow colored barrels.

There are lots of people out there that have wonderful relationships with their horses. They can ride them bareback in a halter and the horse will willingly go wherever they need to go, including jumping over logs and crossing creeks. Many of those people have never played a single "Parelli" game.

I won't say that everything they teach is bad, because it isn't, but some of the things they teach are. Some of them just make no sense in the grand scheme of things and I have seen a couple of things that would get someone hurt if they tried it with the wrong horse.

My thing is that, in order to become a good horseman, a person needs to find inspiration and learn methods from a wide range of people. If the only horsemen you have access to are the clinicians, then learn from all of them. Like others have said, Parelli won't work with every horse, and if a person is strictly a Parelli follower and refuses to acknowledge some of the other teachings out there, then they are really limiting themselves and getting trapped in a corner in regards to their training.

Not to mention that I guess they think all horse people have money like they do. Even if I was interested in being a Parelli-ite, I wouldn't be able to afford all their stuff. I can only imagine how many hundreds of dollars people spend every month for stuff with the little Parelli logo when you can find the exact same thing at the tack store for 1/4 the price.

My biggest problem with them though is the fact that they (and so many people who follow them) are hypocrites. Their teachings are all about Love, Language, and Leadership and we hear all the time about how force is never the answer and if the horse doesn't do what you want, then it's because of something you did. Then they turn around and have things like the debacle with Catwalk and the video of Linda actually teaching a girl how to "properly" pop her horse in the face with a lead rope snap so that it would cause the most pain.

I have no problem using force with a horse when it's necessary and I have no problem with people preaching about how force is never the answer. But at least people like that should practice what they preach.
     

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