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    12-23-2010, 01:50 PM
  #1
Weanling
Where to start?

I want to start natural horsemanship with my mare. I want a well-trained horse, but I also want a relationship with her. Right now, she doesn't really come to me unless I have food, she pins her ears at me when she walks up (not aggressively though) and we just don't have good communication. I started watching Parelli on TV and I really like the stuff he says. I'm open to anything though. I'm the type of person who needs a structured plan and very clear instructions. Horses don't really come naturally to me, I have to work really hard to understand them. I just think that doing some NH would be really good for my horse and me, especially right now.

So any suggestions would be great :) And anyone who has done NH, I would love to hear about your success (or lack thereof) with it! Reviews, I guess! Thank you!
     
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    12-23-2010, 02:14 PM
  #2
Showing
Here's my novel....

Arthur used to be (and still is) a very barn-sour horse with huge separation anxiety from his miniature mare "girlfriend". I couldn't ride him away from her without pathetic screaming for her, and on the way back to the barn he does a Corto in place (gaited) with a gorgeous headset because he wants to get back to her so bad. I researched horse trainers in the area and sent a message to 20-some asking for advice. Only a few got back to me. One suggested the lungeing near and away from the barn thing, and I'd tried that before with no success. The other two suggested Parelli right off the bat.

Now, I've always been VERY skeptical of Parelli. I like the Monty Roberts, the Clinton Anderson, I didn't thik much of Pat and his methods. I decided to try it, however, and one of the trainers offered to send me copies of the dvds as I need them.

Right off the bat, Arthur did not take to it. He's a bombproof solid horse that would rather put up with you smacking his chest than back up. For fair we did trail and it took me a solid 6 months to teach him to back up and turn on the forehand because he's so SOLID! He doesn't move with the Parelli "porcupine" or "driving" games, no matter how I try. He also doesn't understand lungeing and is completely desensitized to lunge whips. I quit doing parelli with him simply because I couldn't. I started doing it with Molly, though.

Molly has been amazing at Parelli. We started in probably october, and she's taken to it like nobody's business. Not only is she so much more concentrated on what I'm doing so she can adjust accordingly, but she has gotten a lot less spooky through Parelli. She's always been very sensitive, jumping at little things, but through the Parelli "friendly game" I can put anthing on, near, or around her and she's not even phased by it anymore. I can have my back to her and toss a rope around her nose, near her eyes, on her ears, anything, and she trusts me enough to do it without hurting here.

Bottom line is, parelli is good for some horses and is not for others. No one but a professional is going to get Arthur to play the Parelli games, and that's just how it is. Molly is spectacular at it, and will probably go far.

Good luck!
     
    12-23-2010, 03:02 PM
  #3
Green Broke
I'm not a fan of parelli, I love Monty Roberts and Clinton Anderson and Bob Avila. I think you should pick and choose whatever you think would work from any and every trainer you can get your paws on :) and kind of make up you own "way" I guess you could call it. And be open minded!! Also don't worry about the not understanding horses that well, only with time and work can anyone achiev that.

Good luck and have fun! :)
     
    12-23-2010, 03:08 PM
  #4
Showing
Any type of training, done correctly, will give you a well trained horse and the bond you're looking for.

Bonds are formed by quality time and experiences spent with the animal, not because of games with silly names or 'special' exorbitantly expensive sticks, halters, or tack. All of that is just smoke and mirrors.
     
    12-23-2010, 03:09 PM
  #5
Started
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Originally Posted by equiniphile    
Bottom line is, parelli is good for some horses and is not for others.

This. If you're new to horses and training, I recommend getting a trainer or someone with some experience to help you with your horse. Good luck with everything!
     
    12-23-2010, 07:16 PM
  #6
Weanling
I got a Clinton Anderson book today that I'm going to start working with and I think I'm going to buy Parelli's Natural Horsemanship book too. I don't want to rely on one trainer, I want to try a lot of things to see what works with my horse

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Bonds are formed by quality time and experiences spent with the animal, not because of games with silly names or 'special' exorbitantly expensive sticks, halters, or tack. All of that is just smoke and mirrors.
Yes, I know this. Like I said in my post, I don't have the money to spend on expensive sticks, halters, and tack. I'm not looking for gimmicks, I'm looking for something other than what I'm doing now. I know that no training is going to be "magic" and just fix my horse, I'm not delusional I just want to keep my options open and try out everything. I've liked what I've seen so far in NH.

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If you're new to horses and training, I recommend getting a trainer or someone with some experience to help you with your horse. Good luck with everything!
I'm not new to horses, I've been riding for 9 years, but I am semi-new to training. I don't have access to a trainer right now, I will regularly in about 6 months. I'm just looking for something to do in the meantime

I'll look at Monty Roberts and Bob Avila. I've heard Dennis Reis is pretty good too? I'm almost positive that I saw him at a clinic YEARS ago!
     
    12-24-2010, 03:24 PM
  #7
Weanling
I think you'll enjoy the 7 Games-- I do-- but after that, I think the Parelli system falls apart. As for the Games, I haven't seen a horse that you can't "play" them with. It's just that some horses, you have to be really strong, perhaps past the point you want to go. (I'd rather not get after a horse so "solid" as yours, but I suppose you can, if you really have the drive to be ALPHA. I'm more into the partnership thing.)
     
    12-25-2010, 08:33 AM
  #8
Green Broke
Here's my theory: observe your horse as she is in her paddock. Watch the herd dynamics and how they "talk" to each other. This is the foundation to Natural horsemanship. Spend quality time with her, getting her to fully trust you and getting her to understand you being the "leader".

Once you've accomplished this you can form that bond you want. Talk to her in her language. Being consistent and firm but gentle. Definitely see what you can find to help you. Such as videos of clinicians, preferably Clinton. He uses untrained and dominant horses to teach others how to start. I know Monty does too but I really like Clinton.

You can do this by yourself! But if things become unsafe or your mare becomes more aggressive (pinning ears) you may need more help. Pinning ears is her way of warning you so make sure you watch that. Next comes a bite or kick! If you form that bond and leadership she is less likely to see you as weak and more likely to listen. Good luck and stay safe. TAKE YOUR TIME! :)
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    12-25-2010, 09:49 AM
  #9
Trained
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Originally Posted by Beling    
I think you'll enjoy the 7 Games-- I do-- but after that, I think the Parelli system falls apart. As for the Games, I haven't seen a horse that you can't "play" them with. It's just that some horses, you have to be really strong, perhaps past the point you want to go. (I'd rather not get after a horse so "solid" as yours, but I suppose you can, if you really have the drive to be ALPHA. I'm more into the partnership thing.)
i agree, I think the games are a really good base !

I also really like clinton andersons methods
     
    12-25-2010, 03:49 PM
  #10
Started
I say go for Parelli :) I've been a dedicated student for a long time and am currently at their ranch in Florida (I've been here since October) and the things I see here "behind the scenes" is phenominal! If you want a relationship with your horse like no other Parelli is the key to it. With whatever you decide, remember to always put the relationship first and to have fun :)
     

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