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  • Can you teach lateral flexion in a webbing halter
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    04-22-2012, 12:29 AM
  #31
Trained
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Originally Posted by ConfusciusWasAGreatTeachr    
Yep I ride bitless. In my opinion, I think any horse would prefer this to metal in it's mouth.
I disagree. I have had many horses be unhappy by the nose pressure, even if that is what they are started in. I even had one horse at the barn that the owner wanted to be started bitless, the horse HATED it. She would lead off of no pressure at all. The second someone picked up on the reins in a sidepull/halter, she would instantly show her discomfort. She didn't get crazy or anything, but she did stiffen and bump her head. So I put her in a rubber snaffle and got the owner on board. She never showed any stiffness or resistance after.

Rebel is the same. Dislikes nose pressure. Can be ridden in a halter, prefers not to.
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    04-25-2012, 06:06 AM
  #32
Foal
I ride in a rope halter or bridleless and use a snaffle for 'finesse'. I teach people/horses in a rope halter first. If a horse is stiff or bracely you need to work on lateral flexion - you cannot expect lightnmess until you have no fear and no brace. Too many people (whether in a bridle or halter) use their reins to hold on. Horses learn to defend themselves and will brace if ridden that way. Do plenty of passenger or crising lessons (they are pretty much one and same thing) riding on a long rein - learn to keep your balance without resorting to the reins. Practice lateral flexion on the ground before you get on - and ensure you have an emergency/one-rein stop before you start cruising! Follow phases, eyes, belly button, legs, reins and your hgorse will respond with a halter, bridle or totaly free in due course,
     
    06-08-2012, 09:50 AM
  #33
Weanling
I've been trying to introduce my gelding to a rope halter, and he does okay until we come to a patch of grass, and all he does is eat. He ignores everything I do to get him to pick up his head. When we're not near any grass, he won't yield his head to me for the turns. Basically, he is very hard to turn in a rope halter. BUT, I am determined to train both of us to ride well in a rope halter. So, what can I do to get him to respect the halter? How should I re-introduce it to him? He is soft with the halter when we are in the round pen, but the second I try to ride him with it outside of the pen, he doesn't listen at all. UGH. It's so frustrating....
     
    06-10-2012, 10:28 PM
  #34
Foal
My horse was in a plain snaffle for a long time and then in a low-port leverage bit for awhile when I thought we'd do WP. I'm runnning out of training to do with him, so I thought I'd work on making him light and responsive in a rope halter. The only thing I didn't like is that if I pulled to the side, it seemed as if the pressure on the nose band pushed his nose down instead of to the side... I supposed I could try to attach the reins up higher. Anyway that's my goal! But I decided to go to a snaffle, then down to a halter! So I'll join the bunch soon, hopefully.
     
    06-10-2012, 11:04 PM
  #35
Trained
Halters are made to tie your horse up with and a brilde is made to ride in. Not sure why people think that there is something magical about riding a horse in a halter.
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    06-12-2012, 10:18 AM
  #36
Foal
It's not magical. But it shows that your horse is really soft if you can truly get him to be collected and give his face to a halter.
     
    06-12-2012, 10:22 AM
  #37
Foal
Hehe, I ride in a rope halter all the time. I've also gone pretty much tackless before too ( I had a neck rope, just in case something did happen). It's good to know that my horse is responsive to my seat :)
     
    06-12-2012, 10:35 AM
  #38
Trained
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Originally Posted by RosiePosie06    
It's not magical. But it shows that your horse is really soft if you can truly get him to be collected and give his face to a halter.

No more then with a bit. Just b/c a horse is responsive in one type of tack does not mean they will or will not be in some other type of tack. Find no reason to ride in a halter rope or other wise. But that is just me. Would not own a horse who only worked in some type of halter.
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    06-13-2012, 03:07 AM
  #39
Trained
Another one for bitless riding, which I generally do in a rope halter, mainly because they're convenient & require little care compared to a leather or webbing one - I don't see a big difference between a rope halter & a flat one actually, *when trained/used properly*. I ride with a string around my horse's neck too(using it as the 'safety chain' in case the bodylanguage controls 'break'), but only in the property. Always have a halter on when we're out, for Justin. I also ride in a bridle with a soft leather hack... effectively just a pretty version of a halter, when I want to 'dress up' my horse.

To me the big differences that cause me to prefer a halter to a bit are the physiological effects of working a horse with something in their mouth(look up Dr Cook's site for more info) and the potential for causing serious pain if/when accidents happen, or with not so well trained horses or riders. Halters/bitless bridles have ability to hurt when used roughly/accidents, but I believe it's far less likely to be so harsh/strong.

Haven't read all replies, but thought I'd comment on a couple...
Re liking a halter rather than metal in their mouth...
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I disagree. I have had many horses be unhappy by the nose pressure, even if that is what they are started in.
I think that's more dependent on how they're trained/ridden. If the horse has been ridden roughly in a halter, they can definitely get an 'attitude' about nose pressure & be more relaxed about a bit handled well.

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he does okay until we come to a patch of grass, and all he does is eat. ..... When we're not near any grass, he won't yield his head to me for the turns.
Pardon the pun, but I think it sounds like you're biting off more than you can chew. I would be wanting him to be responsive & reliable with the basics first, starting in a controlled environment without distractions. And it sounds like he's learned it's worth his while to brace against the pressure & ignore you. You need to find ways to teach him it's worth his while listening to you. I use a mix of positive reinforcement & pressure/release. Eg. I'd make it more uncomfortable for him to ignore you, using rythmic pressure instead of steady, to prevent him bracing against it - quick give & takes(don't like to say jerks) on the rein, &/or tapping with your legs/heels. Keep it up until he deigns to stop grazing, at which time you instantly stop all pressure to 'negatively reinforce' the Good behaviour. Along with that I'd be positively reinforcing him with something as good as the grass, to encourage him Want to do as you ask.

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Halters are made to tie your horse up with and a brilde is made to ride in. Not sure why people think that there is something magical about riding a horse in a halter.
I don't know why people think there's something magical about riding with a bit. I don't think halters were just designed to tie a horse with(& I'm very cautious about tying a horse firm in a rope one...), but people just discovered that it was easier to control a horse with a device in it's mouth to force compliance(not saying it's always used that way or I'm against good use of one on a trained horse).
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    06-16-2012, 03:40 PM
  #40
Foal
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Originally Posted by nrhareiner    
No more then with a bit. Just b/c a horse is responsive in one type of tack does not mean they will or will not be in some other type of tack. Find no reason to ride in a halter rope or other wise. But that is just me. Would not own a horse who only worked in some type of halter.
Oh well I didn't clarify that. I don't mean the horse should only work in the halter. I won't go on a trail ride in the rope halter. I just think it's nice that I can ride my horse in a shank bit and a snaffle so I want to go further and try making him soft without a bit.

There's a young horse at my place that I've ridden a couple times but her owner will not let me ride her with a bit because she hasn't had her wolf teeth removed (I'm pretty sure if the bit was just in her mouth properly she'd be fine, but whatever), so I wont ride her. She does NOT give her nose to that hackamore thing. She needs to learn in a bit instead of rooting.
     

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