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        10-09-2012, 11:25 PM
      #51
    Trained
    I ride my horse with a mild curb bit. She is perfectly happy in it. I rarely actually use it. When I do need to communicate with her, I can do so with a gentle touch. Communicating with a halter can hurt their face, and you lose all the fine tuning control.

    If you want to go all natural, you should not ride at all. Riding is not natural.
         
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        10-09-2012, 11:29 PM
      #52
    KSL
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    People went wayyyyyyy off track.

    I am NOT saying ride in a halter all the time everyday and that bits are bad. I'm saying why use one when you don't need one. And, that you SHOULD be able to ride with only a rope halter at any given time. Not that you should always, but you should be able to control your horse that well.

    I ride in a rope halter a lot.. Why? Because I don't "need" a bit on my daily rides. When I do need one for whatever reason, I use one.

    Do I think they are bad? No. But I do think its selfish to use one when it isn't needed and to not have your horse trained to ride in only a rope halter. Emergencys happen. I had a friend out riding in a bit and the horse broke its bridle. If that horse couldn't have been ridden in a halter or the rider wouldn't have known how her horse responded to one, it could have been a terrible experience.

    Use a bit if you need one but you SHOULD have your horse responsive enough to ride without it is the main point here.
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        10-09-2012, 11:34 PM
      #53
    Foal
    Mostly with you KSL. I've just seen a few horses that really don't care for the halter. Usually, they were fairly insecure ones for whatever reason and wanted the constant reminder from a bit.
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        10-09-2012, 11:48 PM
      #54
    Weanling
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    Originally Posted by KSL    
    You wouldn't "love" a metal bar stuck in your mouth. Tolerate it well, maybe.
    With all due respect, I find this particular argument a bit silly. The way a humans mouth is built, we are not able to accommodate a bit. As long as the bit in question is shaped to follow the curve of the horses mouth, there is no reason to believe that simply carrying a bit causes them any discomfort.

    However, a more direct rebuttal would be: Explain tongue rings.
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        10-09-2012, 11:51 PM
      #55
    Green Broke
    Probably because I ride a spunky 5 year old who would probably laugh at me if I rode her in a rope halter.



    But I have always wondered..who's idea, in the beginning stages of man riding horses, decided, "AH HA! We put rock in horse mouth. Rock make horse whoa whoa."
         
        10-09-2012, 11:52 PM
      #56
    Green Broke
    Also, you should watch said 5 year old grab at the bit. If she hated it, she wouldn't be trying to put it in her mouth.
         
        10-10-2012, 12:00 AM
      #57
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by KSL    
    ...I'm saying why use one when you don't need one. And, that you SHOULD be able to ride with only a rope halter at any given time. Not that you should always, but you should be able to control your horse that well...
    Define need one. I could ride my horses tomorrow bitless and they would do OK. But if they work better WITH a bit, then it would be arrogant of me to ride bitless for my own pride. What would be the point? So I could tell others how superior I am for going bitless? If my horse is more relaxed and confident with a bit, then why would I go bitless?

    If I care about my horses, I'll do what is best for THEM. And Trooper and Mia have both been ridden bitless many times - for 3 years - and they ride better with a bit than without. So I'll do what is best for them...and that means riding with a bit.
         
        10-10-2012, 12:00 AM
      #58
    Yearling
    Fair enough, but I would reiterate my original point; bits don’t, or at least shouldn’t, control horses. And, forgive me if Im wrong, but it appears you are making a judgement that a rope halter is more gentile on a horse than a bit; after all why, if you don’t think they are bad is it selfish to ride in a bit if you don’t have to? What is selfish about using a bit if you use it to communicate fine signals to a horse that is trained to understand them? And what the hell was your friend doing to break her/his bridle? Again, I don’t want to give you the idea that I'm judging you. Years ago I thought bits were just outright cruel and decided I'd only ride in a hackamore, to this day I count my lucky stars that I did think like that because it lead me to learn how to train horses in the californio style, but I'm also more than happy to admit that I was totally wrong about bits and that they are not cruel in and of themselves. And though, pound for pound I'd argue that a hackamore (rawhide bosal, mecate, headstall, fiodore) probably doesn’t have the potential to do as much damage as a bit, they can still be a nasty bit of work if one wanted to use one as such, as could a rope halter. If used properly what is selfish about riding with a bit?
         
        10-10-2012, 12:02 AM
      #59
    Yearling
    KSL: what people are trying to say is WHY should horses be able to be ridden in a rope halter since to some horses, a rope halter is actually more severe than a bit. Some horses just plain don't like pressure on their noses like that.

    And why a ROPE halter? Why not a regular halter? Our completely bridleless? If you're trying to make the point that all our horses should be so well trained we shouldn't need bits, why pick something that is essentially a bit alternative?

    BTW I rode my, QH in a bosal or curb, but didn't really need them. Mostly the reins laid slack and I communicated with leg pressures. I think he prefered the bit because he would turn his head and open his mouth for the bit, but seemed put off when he saw it was the bosal.

    I rode my Arab with an indian hackamore. I rode my pony with a snaffle. My new horse will be a dressage horse so I'm planning on starting with a loose ring snaffle.

    As far as the off topic stuff being discussed, I never realized issues with telling left from right was part of dyslexia. I have to pretend to write in the air to tell which way is right and which is left. It hasn't really affected my riding too much because I don't think in terms of left and right, but instead just think: I want to go "that way."

    I also have a hard time telling time, I have bipolar disorder, adhd, and celiac disease. Do I win some sort of a prize? :-D

    Sorry, thought we were playing "who's the most messed up." VBG
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        10-10-2012, 12:17 AM
      #60
    Trained
    I still cannot see one legitimate reason why the OP would have posted this except to flaunt and call people out on something.

    Someone must of been bored.
         

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