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    01-03-2012, 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by thesilverspear    
Edit: There was no "whacking" to teach her this. She already knew how to back and I just attached the wiggley rope to my other back command (stepping towards her chest) until she understood the meaning of the wiggley rope and would back off the wiggley rope alone. Easy. And not traumatic at all.
I'd be willing to try this way.. :)
     
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    01-03-2012, 03:27 PM
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Edit: There was no "whacking" to teach her this.
silver, I didn't mean anyone here. I've seen several trainers (on youtube as well as during live demonstrations) to do it to "teach" horse to back up. Personally I don't think it's a right approach.
     
    01-03-2012, 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike Zimmerman    
The horse does keep it tight, once you back them up until the slack is out they'll hold it tight as long as you need.
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Which as I said would be impractical and dangerous in many situations.

We have a new boarder's horse who is TERRIFIED of the rope moving. Boarder is going to have a heck of a time undoing the damage that was done to the horses way of thinking.
     
    01-03-2012, 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by mls    
Maybe practical for that purpose but not for 99% of what an every day horse person needs to do with their horse.

For instance, a tie down roper wants their horse to back until the pressure is tight on the rope. That would be highly impractical and even dangerous in other areas of horse handling.

I step into my horse, he backs. If I need him to back (such as out of the trailer or tie stall), I simply say 'back'.
I am confused as why this is impractical and dangerous, would you mind elaborating?
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    01-03-2012, 03:45 PM
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I am confused as why this is impractical and dangerous, would you mind elaborating?
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You want your horse to keep the rope tight at all times?
     
    01-03-2012, 03:47 PM
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You want your horse to keep the rope tight at all times?
I don't think that's what they were getting at..
     
    01-03-2012, 03:59 PM
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You want your horse to keep the rope tight at all times?
Yes, if I am doctoring cattle I want my horse to hold the rope tight. If I need him to step up to loosen my rope so I can get it off his neck onto his front feet then I would ask him to step forward with a light tug of my get down rope or mecate lead. As soon as I have my rope where I want it then I would ask him to step back to tighten my rope and hold my steer/calf with a wiggle of my get down rope/lead until it is tightend. Once the rope is tight and I quit wiggling.
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    01-03-2012, 09:03 PM
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Which as I said would be impractical and dangerous in many situations.

We have a new boarder's horse who is TERRIFIED of the rope moving. Boarder is going to have a heck of a time undoing the damage that was done to the horses way of thinking.

A loose or slackened rope is going get you in more trouble than a tight one when you've got something roped. But I am not sure what a tight rope has to do with shaking a lead to get your horse to back up to tighten your rope. If I have a steer on the ground and I have a front leg held up to keep him from getting up, how am I going to get my horse to back up to take the slack out of my rope to hold the steer down? I can't get off the steer walk to my horse and back him up manually to tighten my rope, I have to be on the steer with his front legs to make sure it stays in the correct position to hold. The rope must be around the pasterns with the feet crossed and preferably my hondo on the bottom.

I am sorry your boarders horse is terrified of the rope, I think you should blame the previous handler, not the method....this many cowboys can't be wrong.
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    01-03-2012, 09:14 PM
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Chick, exactly.

A horse that has been properly trained to the rope (which, BTW, if they are afraid of it, they have not been properly trained), is an invaluable tool to a working cowboy (or girl ). To be able to down a calf/steer/cow on the rope, tie off to the horn, and step off to go down to doctor it is a commonly taught, and much sought after ability in a good horse.

We do it a bit differently though as we don't ride with mecate sets. We call the horse forward by pulling on the actual rope, smooching, and saying "Come here". To stop them is a simple "Whoa" and to back them up is "Back up".

Mike that is interesting. Even though I knew about the roping thing, I never really connected it with the *******ized NH version. I guess you learn something new every day.
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    01-03-2012, 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Saranda    
My horse was taught to back up by shaking the rope, but, as the four phases were used, he now backs up if I just raise a finger and say "back up!" if necessary - as a warning that I will start shaking the rope with my palm in a couple of seconds.

That's helpful to know - I am still working on backing up with CAs four phases for backing up (mostly wiggling/shaking the rope), and would like to work toward a better warning.

Thanks for the info Mike, it's great to learn the origins of strategies we use.
     

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