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post #21 of 34 Old 01-03-2012, 10:07 PM
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I'm not roping calves. My horses rarely wear a halter and lead. They back up with one hand like as stop sign and the other finger wagging toward the chest.
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post #22 of 34 Old 01-03-2012, 10:29 PM
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I'm not roping calves. My horses rarely wear a halter and lead. They back up with one hand like as stop sign and the other finger wagging toward the chest.
Do you mean you don't use a halter and lead to catch your horse, or do you not leave your halter and lead on under your bridle when you ride?

I just want to clarify that I never ride with a halter under my bridle. When I am talking about my lead I am talking about one, the mecate tail on a snaffle or hackamore setup, or two, my get down rope which is tied around his neck and ran through a bosalita.
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My understanding of it is that everything you're doing "on-lead" during the seven games is setting the foundation for doing the same activities at liberty. So while it seems very exaggerated on-lead and while first learning, the end result is a subtle communication between horse and person.

The way I was taught PNH backing with the rope wiggling, we DO use body language as well...facial expression, body stance, etc. I was also taught to hold my finger up while going through the backing phases (phases as necessary) which makes a "no-no" type gesture. This ends up being the cue for backing at liberty (the no-no gesture).

The same applies for the motion used to collect the line back up to retrieve your horse. Using that same motion at liberty is the cue for the horse to come back in to you.
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I worked with a several horses that just didn´t understand shaking the leadrope. If the pressure was raised to uncomfortable the only answer was elevating head and in some cases step forward instead of backing up.
My mare was tought to back up by shaking the leadrope and now she reacts on raised hand and voice command, so there definitely are horses suitable with this method.
However many people don´t like it and want me to teach their horses to back up by different means, so I use waving a carrot stick towards horses chest (starting far enough for horse to see what I´m doing, then slowly approach until the carrot stick is bumping the horse and finally increasing the pressure until the horse answers).
Well, every horse needs an individual approach.
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I find it incredibly easy to use a wiggly rope to back them up. It's effective for my younger students because there is no strength required. The clip only hits under the jaw if the horse is completely ignoring. Often when teaching I will team it with another method such as carrot stick. I like it because I can have that strength to back it up if need be.
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Maybe practical for that purpose but not for 99% of what an every day horse person needs to do with their horse.

For instance, a tie down roper wants their horse to back until the pressure is tight on the rope. That would be highly impractical and even dangerous in other areas of horse handling.

I step into my horse, he backs. If I need him to back (such as out of the trailer or tie stall), I simply say 'back'.
Not necessarily true. In my case, I have a huge mare who is way more dangerous when someone is close enough to back her up a different way.
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.... I just want to clarify that I never ride with a halter under my bridle. When I am talking about my lead I am talking about one, the mecate tail on a snaffle or hackamore setup, or two, my get down rope which is tied around his neck and ran through a bosalita.
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Would you elaborate on your get down rope and bosalita setup please. Maybe post a picture?

I've tried tying a line in a bowline knot around the neck for a get down rope, but it moves around and sometimes a rein catches on the knot.

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Would you elaborate on your get down rope and bosalita setup please. Maybe post a picture?

I've tried tying a line in a bowline knot around the neck for a get down rope, but it moves around and sometimes a rein catches on the knot.

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Sure, like the picture below, you run it through the bosalita.
Just a note, this is not my horse. I don't like browband headstalls on bridle bits.

I DON'T LEAD 'EM AND FEED 'EM, I RIDE 'EM AND SLIDE 'EM.

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OK, thanks. So a bosalita is used with a bit set up, like a cavesson? And the get down rope could also be used to apply some nose/poll pressure?

What would be the pros and cons of running the get down line behind the curb strap and not putting the bosalita on?

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OK, thanks. So a bosalita is used with a bit set up, like a cavesson? And the get down rope could also be used to apply some nose/poll pressure?

What would be the pros and cons of running the get down line behind the curb strap and not putting the bosalita on?

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No problem!

I imagine that running the get down in between the curbstrap and chin would be uncomfortable for the horse while the bit is in use. Also running it through the curb would kinda defeat the porpose of using one at all. The idea is not to lead the horse by the bridle reins to preserve the mouth. If it was ran through the curb then it would interfere with the bit while leading.

I can't really think of any pros...
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