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        10-28-2013, 12:15 PM
      #31
    Green Broke
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    Originally Posted by jmike    
    all women or just the ones that do not handle him properly?i'll pretend that wasn't a cattle prod aimed directly at me:-p

    he does not like women in general - never has. I can take a man and a woman of the same equal "intermediate level" riding ability and he will listen better to the man every time.

    he's a con artist. A horse that given an inch will take five miles.

    he has never bucked, kicked and he never flat out tried to run away with my good friend. All he did with her was go into that beautiful rocking chair canter (he's a walking horse) and when he realized her 4'11" self couldn't control him, he turned into one of those old buick dynaflow transmissions that just kept going faster and faster and faster.

    another good friend's 20 yr old son had a lot less riding experience than my tiny friend but he was able to gallop that horse in a wide open field and stop him without issue.

    that's when I realized rusty will listen but he has his limits. Were he a man he'd be grabbing women by the hair, saying "ugh my wuhmahn" and dragging someone back to his cave:-p




    What do you mean by "woman's instinct"?<sigh> that would be the "instinct" your mom had when you were growing up and she just knew you were about to do some dumb thing that would either get you killed or in jail.

    my son used to tell everyone I "had eyes in the back of my head and knew what he was going to do before he'd even thought on it for too long" :-p

    women just have a way of knowing things that men (by and large) cannot ferret out.

    i attribute it to the fact that we are guided more by emotion and men are guided more by logic:d

    Just curious ... I am a guy and unsure of what that entails
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        10-28-2013, 12:18 PM
      #32
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    Dilly I admire that you see this horse as a challenge but I think as long as he 'smells' the fear in you he's going to remain the way he is
    I think he regards that pasture as his territory and doesn't want to share it with anything - horse or human.
    You can make him need you by him having to rely on you for food and water every day but I think if you really want to learn to be around horses and eventually ride one you should talk to your partner about maybe dividing that land and getting yourself a really good schoolmaster to learn with
    If there are any good rescue centres around you it wouldn't hurt to volunteer your services there - a good place to learn how to be around horses that have often seen abuse and lost trust in people - but you would be doing it under guidance.
         
        10-28-2013, 12:37 PM
      #33
    Foal
    Came running back in because lo and behold, meany boy let me scratch between his eyes and he STOOD there for like, five whole minutes! Lol See? That's the kind of stuff I don't know, nobody tells, and/or assumes it's common sense. Apparently he likes the heck outta that!

    Got a picture, and because I'm a dork, I even took video for proof he let me fool with him for a minute! Lolol going to try to load a picture of grumpy boy.
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        10-28-2013, 12:39 PM
      #34
    Foal
    I did it! Here's his whole self last year with the mare he pushed.
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        10-28-2013, 12:59 PM
      #35
    Green Broke
    He's adorable!

    There are parts of this thread that I don't wholly agree with. Many members seem to think that he needs to find a new home. I think that any horse, with a little work, can be safe to handle. Especially at the level you're wanting. To say horses don't like attention and being petted and groomed is just silly, but it may take some getting used to if he isn't handled all that much.

    What I will say is that, perhaps you could consider employing a trainer to come out and help you? Just to show you some of the basics, like how to be assertive and show your dominance. A horse that thinks he's the alpha can get a bit dangerous, particularly when you feed into the behavior.

    I am positive you're going to do well. Can't wait to read more <3
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        10-28-2013, 01:07 PM
      #36
    Foal
    Thanks, Zexious. :') I think he wants to be a good boy, he's not t-totally nuts, he's sweet on HIS terms, I just don't know the first thing about how to help him.

    Maybe I'll try to find a trainer that can sneak over during the day to help me while he's at work and can't throw a fit. Heh
         
        10-28-2013, 01:09 PM
      #37
    Green Broke
    ^It just sounds to me like he's grown a bit spoiled without having a job. It'll happen to any horse--or person ;)
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        10-28-2013, 01:16 PM
      #38
    Yearling
    I'd say for just working with him on ground, check out Clinton Anderson. He's good with groundwork exercises and explains things quite clearly. You might be able to borrow his dvds from the library. He'd teach you how to get respect on the ground and get your horse real "quiet", meaning non-spooky.
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        10-28-2013, 01:30 PM
      #39
    Green Broke
    I am proud of you, OP, for admitting your inexperience. For anyone who is feeling sorry for this horse, please stop it. We ALL know that the horse market is in the toilet, and there are MANY, MANY more horses than people willing and $able to keep them. Those of us who have kept horses a long time--I have owned/trained horses for 28 years--had good experiences with horses that had training for beginning riders when WE were beginning riders.
    OP, if you can find someone with experience who sees potential in this TB, sell him, or give him away. When I had the 2nd OTTB that I have owned I lost my temper and yelled at him in his stall. He wheeled around and kicked the FRONT of the stall so fast it took me several minutes to realize that had I been in front I would have been DEAD. This OTTB had been raced, shown (as a Hunter) and had loads more training that the one that YOU now own, and I trained him to gunfire, so he was pretty much bombproof.
    Go find out how much$ a trip to the ER will cost you, in today's dollars. Figure out how you will function if and when you are kicked, or try to ride this monster and get thrown and are disabled.
    HORSES ARE 8x-10x bigger and MUCH stronger that we are. We horse owners take chances and many times our seasoned horses have gotten us out of trouble, but you need a horse with thousands of hours in training. I don't believe you will want to put that kind of time in this horse, who is a lot like a teenager who has been a discipline problem since Kindergarten and now, as a Junior in HS, cannot read or do basic computation.
    If you REALLY want a horse, spend some time hanging around horse people and find an older horse that is getting too slow for a sport and could use and DESERVES a loving home.
    We have to let go of these ruined horses who are just money drains.
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        10-28-2013, 01:42 PM
      #40
    Yearling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by walkinthewalk    
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    Sorry, it is not letting me quote you

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    Not a cattle prod at all -- just curious if you have noticed different approaches in general that your horse may not appreciate -- or an approach that he does appreciate and responds to

    Just because the experience level is identical does not mean the methods are identical .... such as 2 baskets of 2 apples each can be
    1+1+1+1 = 4
    2+2 = 4
    (1+1)squared=4
    1+1 = 2 and there are 2 so 2x2 = 4
    1+1 = 2 and there are 2 so 2squared = 4

    All answers are correct, all approaches are correct, all require an intermediate skill level, but they are also all different in their approach

    I am just not entirely convinced that horses recognize gender in humans


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    I did not grow up with a mom or a sister, so the term "woman's instinct" is meaningless to me

    It seems to reason that if women can be better at some things then the inverse can also true, and men may be better at some things (i see this as gender stereotypes, and although it *might* apply to the vast majority of the group -- it does not apply to every single individual)

    It is possible that you have felt your way into the right way to handle this particular horse through your experiences with him that other women are not doing intuitively, and the men are doing the same thing on a normal basis instinctually

    Could also be that you are better at problem solving than your female counterparts (this is my preferred explanation since I am not comfortable saying women are better at task "y" and men are better at task "x" -- and it relys on the individual instead of gender stereotypes)
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