Barn Leases vs. Private Leases?

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    06-22-2013, 01:41 AM
Barn Leases vs. Private Leases?

I am considering a half-lease, and it seems that Show Barn leases could be more pricey than a "private" lease (an individual leasing their horse). Is this the case? And how else would they differ? Most half-leases in my area include 2 lessons a week and a hack. I would like more time with a horse (doing anything); and was under the impression that "days" meant a whole day; however, it seems that this is not the case. A "day" just gives you priority with a particular horse for a lesson on that day only (at least with barn leases).

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    06-22-2013, 02:36 AM
I have been part leasing for years, and always directly from the owners. It works out much better. We have a very flexible arrangement as to who rides what days. You have to get lucky, like I have, and meet the right person, but I much prefer this way to leasing from a barn.
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    06-22-2013, 03:08 AM
I think you need to get hold of a contract or something similar to suss out the definite points of the contract - you need to find out what it doesn't and does include so you don't get caught out.
    06-22-2013, 10:54 AM
It's going to vary. Leasing from a barn directly usually means that you're using the barn's horse. Leasing from a private owner will mean that you're leasing that person's horse. There is no set arrangement. A part lease can mean anything from one ride a week to riding every day. It all depends on the arrangement between you and the horse owner. Barns usually have a lease policy that applies to all of their lease animals, but private individuals can really arrange whatever they want.
    06-22-2013, 01:15 PM
A lease can be anything the 2 parties agree upon. A barn lease is typically where you have access to underused lesson horses. You will be able to ride the horse 2-6 times a week, lessons are often required, free ride time in included (for trail riding or practicing in the arena). You might ride a different horse everytime as their workload dictates who's available. Riding time is often limited to no more than 3 hours at a time (don't want to wear him out so he can't be used in lessons the rest of the week). Your commitment could be as short as a week but more often it's month to month. One big advantage is others are responsible for his total care (shoes, shots, extra feeding...) and tack could be available. If something happens to the horse you typically ride, others will be available to fill in. It will be more expensive because they are offering more than most private leases do. Some BM can overstep their boundaries and offer up absentee owner horses up for lease to try and recoup some of their out of pocket expenses. Make sure you know who the rightful owner of the horse is.

A private lease can be anything from a very green horse that needs miles to a finished horse that is more than the owner can ride. You might have access to the horse 24/7 or only when the owner is present and you might be restricted to riding in the arena with their tack and trainer. The owner might take care of everything or you might have to shell out for shoes (or pay a %). It could be free or as much or more than if the horse was your own. You might also be responsible for insuring the horse JIK. If the horse you ride becomes lame, you're stuck. If you paid for the month, you might have no recourse to recoop your $$ (there is often such a clause unless it was due to some accident beyond your control).
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    06-22-2013, 02:12 PM
I will always take a private lease over a barn lease.

My current lease is a private lease. I am not set to certain days I can ride. I'm allowed to go out any day but sunday (that is the day his owner comes out to ride). I told his owner that I would be likely to be out 3 days a week, some weeks 4. She has no issue with that and my lease price per month does not vary with the number of days I go out.

With barn leases, you are quite often required to take a lesson weekly. While this is a great thing, it does minimize the one on one time with your lease horse. Your riding days are often set, and you are not allowed to ride on days that are not 'yours'. You also have to accept the fact that others are riding the same horse during your lease, on other days, in lessons, etc.
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    06-22-2013, 02:39 PM
At the stable where I rode, the BO had 5 or 6 good hack or jumping horses. I think why these horses excelled in the show ring is because they were rarely ridden in the ring so part boarders rode them. He put only one to a horse and riding times were pretty much open. If a show was coming up then his show rider would take the horse over a few big jumps and if one of the boarders was there he/she would warm up and cool down the horses.
    06-22-2013, 05:50 PM
Before I bought my own horse, I did a couple partial leases through my barn and then a full lease through a private owner. Both were good experiences for me. The partial leases officially gave me 3 days a week- whole days- to ride, but the horses weren't being partial leased by anyone else and they weren't being used for lessons regularly. So I ended up really being able to ride whenever I wanted. For me, there wasn't a big difference between the barn partial leases and the full private lease I did, except that when I did the full lease I also arranged the horse's farrier care and feeding.

There is no standard for horse leases, though. Whatever is written in the contract is what goes. So make sure you read the contract and you agree with everything that's in it. If you don't, just say no and look for a lease through someone else or some other barn.
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    06-23-2013, 04:35 AM
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To me private leases are where you get a horse a portion of the time, and you are responsible for an equivalent portion of care. So a full lease you're responsible for full care and costs, but have full availability of the horse. Part lease you're responsible again in scale, so if you have three days a week you have three whole days, plus you're responsible for about half the care costs and half the care.

Barn leases, as said, can be anything. They can be like part leases where the horse is yours for a certain amount of days a week. Or you can just have set times you ride, so it's basically like hiring a horse for a set period of time, and then it goes back to being a school horse.

Positives and negatives... well barn leases everything is probably set up. They organise and pay for farrier, dentist, feed etc. You don't have to worry about anything. The horse is probably fit, and decently trained. Negatives is... well it's not really like having a horse at all. Without the decision making, feeding, caring, being able to do your own thing, it's just like going for lessons really but without an instructor.

Positives and negatives for private, well it's a lot like owning your horse, you can usually ride for long periods of time doing what you want and how you want. Negatives are often the horses need work and training, and you're doing that without reaping the rewards. If you're responsible for feed the costs might vary week to week, as other ones may as well.
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    07-02-2013, 10:17 PM
Thank you, thank you. Great feedback and information. :)

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