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        08-30-2013, 12:00 AM
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    Yearling
    crazy filly - what to do?

    Filly (whiskey) is 17 months old and seems to be attempting to assert herself

    Yesterday was walking in the pasture and feeding the horses (3) alfalfa treats and the filly got mad that I was not treating her fast enough --- she turned her back end towards be -- lined up -- took 2 steps back and kicked at me

    I am not sure what the proper response should have been -- but I slipped to my left, jumped forward to her flank and gave her a quick jab to the short-ribs -- hard enough to let her know I meant business -- but not hard enough to hurt her -- kind of happened before I could think if it was the right thing to do

    Today -- I was riding Dixie (the other quarter horse) - (the filly thinks it is her mom) and she comes running up beside her -- and then Whiskey ( the filly) charges my wife and daughter who are walking in the pasture --- my wife threw her hands up and yelled and scared her off -- but she whiskey (the filly) end up bucking and charging about 3 times -- luckily my wife scared her off each and every time

    After charging the wife and kids she would run under the nearby tree with her tail raised high, head really erect and high ect.... (figured that would be relevant)

    So -- I am under the impression that the filly is trying to establish pecking order --- but scared the crap out of me, my wife, and my daughter.

    Any suggestions would be great ---- thanks in advance
         
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        08-30-2013, 01:12 AM
      #2
    Yearling
    Go out in the pasture one day with the goal of breaking this behavior. Bring a whip. When she starts after you, stop her and have what we like to call a come to Jesus moment. Get your whip and when you get her to stop and turn away, chase her around the pasture. Yell a lot. Make her MOVE, Make her think the devil himself is at her heels. Be aggressive, not just a jab to the ribs. Let her know that she needs to never do that again. EVER. Once she's gotten the message stop and pretend to resume diddling about in the pasture. I've seen this done and it usually only takes a time or two before they get it! If you look at a herd that's exactly what a dominant horse will do - Chase and tell the lower horse their place, so it's in a language that's plain and clear for her.
         
        08-30-2013, 01:26 AM
      #3
    Yearling
    I agree with the above. It works well.

    I had a colt who only got testy twice in his life with me, when he was 6 months and when he was a year.

    He used to get pissy when he was nursing and his momma walked off, he would pin his ears and run up in front of her shaking his head to make her stop. Once he was weaned he thought it would be okay to do it to me. Then again when my mom fed him, that time he attempted to double barrel her right in the chest but he missed. Next time I went out with a whip, and made him think I was going to kill him for 5 seconds then returned to feeding. I wouldn't allow him to come to his grain until I left.

    When he was a year he wanted to throw a fit when I took him away from the good grass in the yard. Again, made him think he was about to die. It only took once for him to get that I meant business!
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        08-30-2013, 07:31 AM
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    Trained
    Even after you do this, I would still be very hesitant to trust this filly in the pasture for a long while with the wife and kids. I would also be doing ground work with her to let her know that turning a butt to a human is NEVER a good idea.
         
        08-30-2013, 08:52 AM
      #5
    Yearling
    We've had the filly for about 2 weeks and have spent hours and hours in the pasture with her and the other horses -- yesterday was the first time she did this

    My wife does most of the feeding since I normally have to be at work early early and it is an hour away --- I will make sure she reads this so she knows to scare the crap out of the filly in order to break the behavior

    I let the my wife and daughter know that if they want to go out to the pasture - they need to bring the carriage whip with them -- since it makes the loud whistling and popping sounds if you do it right.

    Will do so research on some ground work I can do with her --- I have been clipping a lead to her halter and walking her up and down the pasture
         
        08-30-2013, 08:53 AM
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    Started
    She needs to be tied to a high limb on a tree while you ride, not allowed to chase the horse being ridden, who is really defenseless with a rider. After she is tied up for a few hours, take her to the water to let her drink, then tie her back up. The herd leader controls the water, and it is one of the quickest ways to estalish dominance.

    Be sure to use a web halter to tie a horse above their head, because they can escape from a rope one.

    Nancy
         
        08-30-2013, 09:01 AM
      #7
    Yearling
    Yes absolutely light a fire under her feet and I would not worry about hurting her, do you think the alpha mare worries about hurting her if she steps out of line, nope. She needs to know you mean business and you have the power to move her feet. She needs more ground work then just leading her around, you need to do exercises that will gain her respect. If you don't know how to train her get someone to help you. There is plenty of good information out there, personally I like Clinton Anderson, Chris Cox, Julie Goodnight, Craig Cameron they all teach about gaining your horses respect. Be safe.
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        08-30-2013, 10:44 AM
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    Green Broke
    Horses are LIVESTOCK. They are not dogs. They are not friends. They are HORSES. They need to be treated like the livestock they are. This means NO CRAP EVER. PERIOD.

    It also means you do not get angry. You need to be assertive. You need to know when to apply pressure and also when to stop.

    Most folks get angry and that often takes the response beyond where it needs to go. Response needs to look like Satan himself complete with fire, horns and pitchfork but without anger.

    The best way I have seen it put is you make the horse think you will KILL him. You have 5 seconds to do that.. and it must occur immediately at the time of infraction. After the 5 seconds you keep the horse moving so they clearly understand YOU control their feet. When their feet move and when their feet stop moving.

    It is really quite simple. You learn timing. Horse learns respect.

    FWIW when you start to treat a horse like a horse you may find that horse a LOT happier.. a lot more willing to work and a whole lot more fun to be around
         
        08-30-2013, 02:54 PM
      #9
    Green Broke
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jmike    
    we've had the filly for about 2 weeks and have spent hours and hours in the pasture with her and the other horses -- yesterday was the first time she did this

    My wife does most of the feeding since I normally have to be at work early early and it is an hour away --- I will make sure she reads this so she knows to scare the crap out of the filly in order to break the behavior

    I let the my wife and daughter know that if they want to go out to the pasture - they need to bring the carriage whip with them -- since it makes the loud whistling and popping sounds if you do it right.

    Will do so research on some ground work I can do with her --- I have been clipping a lead to her halter and walking her up and down the pasture

    What are you in the pasture doing for hours and hours? Horses are not dogs, and doing this does nothing but cause problems. And humans are not horses either.

    If you are babying the horses and this filly, you need to quit. That means petting and messing around with her too, as that makes this worse.

    You also need to realize that if your wife/kid can't make it a defining moment in their handling of this filly? That means put a stop to it. They will actually be making her worse each time she does something and they allow it.

    All horses should be kept away from the humans when going into pasture. Even if this filly stays back, but only the others come close, filly could well decide to rush another horse and shove that horse into human. Or wheel and kick causing a kicking melee.

    You need to reassess how you are feeding, and take steps to alleviate risking yourselves until you get this sorted out.

    But the main thing elsewhere is to not baby this filly at all.

    And quit riding in the same pasture with the other horses is what I would do. Good way to end up in serious trouble.
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        08-30-2013, 04:28 PM
      #10
    Yearling
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    Originally Posted by Palomine    
    What are you in the pasture doing for hours and hours? Horses are not dogs, and doing this does nothing but cause problems. And humans are not horses either.

    If you are babying the horses and this filly, you need to quit. That means petting and messing around with her too, as that makes this worse.

    You also need to realize that if your wife/kid can't make it a defining moment in their handling of this filly? That means put a stop to it. They will actually be making her worse each time she does something and they allow it.

    All horses should be kept away from the humans when going into pasture. Even if this filly stays back, but only the others come close, filly could well decide to rush another horse and shove that horse into human. Or wheel and kick causing a kicking melee.

    You need to reassess how you are feeding, and take steps to alleviate risking yourselves until you get this sorted out.

    But the main thing elsewhere is to not baby this filly at all.

    And quit riding in the same pasture with the other horses is what I would do. Good way to end up in serious trouble.
    me and the wife walk the pasture a lot, kids have their swings out there under an oak tree, sometimes I mow down the brush out there, was out there yesterday fixing the fence in a few places ... we spend a lot of time out there

    We are trying to work out the feeding situation --- the 2 new horses crowd our space a lot and it is not safe.
         

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