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        08-30-2013, 05:19 PM
      #11
    Showing
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    Originally Posted by Shoebox    
    Go out in the pasture one day with the goal of breaking this behavior. Bring a whip. When she starts after you, stop her and have what we like to call a come to Jesus moment. Get your whip and when you get her to stop and turn away, chase her around the pasture. Yell a lot. Make her MOVE, Make her think the devil himself is at her heels. Be aggressive, not just a jab to the ribs. Let her know that she needs to never do that again. EVER. Once she's gotten the message stop and pretend to resume diddling about in the pasture. I've seen this done and it usually only takes a time or two before they get it! If you look at a herd that's exactly what a dominant horse will do - Chase and tell the lower horse their place, so it's in a language that's plain and clear for her.
    I agree. It sounds like the behaviour was not corrected early one when she started to take over your personal space, therefor learning its ok to continue to take over. It's a behaviour that is easy to correct and very common for young horses to do this.
         
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        08-30-2013, 05:26 PM
      #12
    Weanling
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    Originally Posted by jmike    
    me and the wife walk the pasture a lot, kids have their swings out there under an oak tree, sometimes I mow down the brush out there, was out there yesterday fixing the fence in a few places ... we spend a lot of time out there

    We are trying to work out the feeding situation --- the 2 new horses crowd our space a lot and it is not safe.

    If trained to respect you then being the pasture will not be a problem at all. Yes, even well trained horses will sometimes get a wild hair and start running around when you are in a pasture, so you always should keep an eye out, but if you are doing that you should be able to be in the pasture and be perfectly safe.

    I would start with making her respect you with feeding time. I will not usually discipline another persons horse, but if one of the horses in my barn gets in my space while I'm feeding I let them know on no uncertain terms that that is not acceptable. What I did with my mare, is teach her that she would not get her food until she would stand a few steps back and wait for me to walk away from it. This will not be easy to teach two horses at once if they are loose with each other, so if you can separate the mare while you feed the filly, that will make your life easier.

    Take a lunge whip with you and make her stay a few steps back from the food. When she tries to crowd in, crack the whip and run her off. Be careful, because she will probably kick out. Continue to chase her away from the food until she will stand relaxed a few steps away, only then is it ok to move off and let her eat. This will probably take a long time at first, but as time goes on she will learn that if she just waits at a respectful distance, then she will get the food faster. If my horse starts to crowd me for her grain now, all I have to do is point and tell her to get back and she will wait for me to set her bowl down and move off before eating.
         
        08-31-2013, 12:14 PM
      #13
    Yearling
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    Originally Posted by TessaMay    
    If trained to respect you then being the pasture will not be a problem at all. Yes, even well trained horses will sometimes get a wild hair and start running around when you are in a pasture, so you always should keep an eye out, but if you are doing that you should be able to be in the pasture and be perfectly safe.

    I would start with making her respect you with feeding time. I will not usually discipline another persons horse, but if one of the horses in my barn gets in my space while I'm feeding I let them know on no uncertain terms that that is not acceptable. What I did with my mare, is teach her that she would not get her food until she would stand a few steps back and wait for me to walk away from it. This will not be easy to teach two horses at once if they are loose with each other, so if you can separate the mare while you feed the filly, that will make your life easier.

    Take a lunge whip with you and make her stay a few steps back from the food. When she tries to crowd in, crack the whip and run her off. Be careful, because she will probably kick out. Continue to chase her away from the food until she will stand relaxed a few steps away, only then is it ok to move off and let her eat. This will probably take a long time at first, but as time goes on she will learn that if she just waits at a respectful distance, then she will get the food faster. If my horse starts to crowd me for her grain now, all I have to do is point and tell her to get back and she will wait for me to set her bowl down and move off before eating.
    been taking the lunge whip out with me and keeping all 3 horses away while I set out feed ---- been swinging it around me keeping them 10-15 feet away and when they turn in and step towards me I snap the whip in front of their faces until they turn away

    Yesterday morning was a defining moment -- I was out gathering the buckets after the morning feeding session and theyed start crowding me and the filly turned around and kicked at me just barely missing my shoulder ---

    I chased the crap out of her with that whip trying like hell to catch her and attack her flanks -- I figure I ran about a mile (almost killed me - i'm too big and old to run like that) I kept the filly seperated from the other 2 for half an hour trying to keep her from finding comfort and safety with the mare she thinks is her mother

    After that I went out with a lunge line and lunge whip and had her walking circles for me and making her respect my space --- took her a while to understand not to turn in on me --- I think I did about three 30 minute sessions like that -- all walking and no running unless she turned in on me and then I stepped up the pressure to turn her out and away from me

    But both her and the mare have issues when it comes to food --- they both want to crowd --- so no one is allowed to feed them except me ---- like I said -- I keep them 10-15 feet away from me with the lunge whip and I will not put up with any crap from them --- they are too big and too dangerous without discipline
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        08-31-2013, 12:27 PM
      #14
    Trained
    Good for you! Keep up the good work.
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        08-31-2013, 12:35 PM
      #15
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    Originally Posted by jmike    
    been taking the lunge whip out with me and keeping all 3 horses away while I set out feed ---- been swinging it around me keeping them 10-15 feet away and when they turn in and step towards me I snap the whip in front of their faces until they turn away

    Yesterday morning was a defining moment -- I was out gathering the buckets after the morning feeding session and theyed start crowding me and the filly turned around and kicked at me just barely missing my shoulder ---

    I chased the crap out of her with that whip trying like hell to catch her and attack her flanks -- I figure I ran about a mile (almost killed me - i'm too big and old to run like that) I kept the filly seperated from the other 2 for half an hour trying to keep her from finding comfort and safety with the mare she thinks is her mother

    After that I went out with a lunge line and lunge whip and had her walking circles for me and making her respect my space --- took her a while to understand not to turn in on me --- I think I did about three 30 minute sessions like that -- all walking and no running unless she turned in on me and then I stepped up the pressure to turn her out and away from me

    But both her and the mare have issues when it comes to food --- they both want to crowd --- so no one is allowed to feed them except me ---- like I said -- I keep them 10-15 feet away from me with the lunge whip and I will not put up with any crap from them --- they are too big and too dangerous without discipline
    Could you please explain the "not turning in on you" thing? If we are talking round penning or anything if the sort, you want the horse to change direction by turning in towards the center of the circle - ie bringing its front end in to turn around. You do not want the horse to change direction by swinging its hind end in.
    Or we're you just stating that you wanted her to stay out on the circle?
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        08-31-2013, 12:37 PM
      #16
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    You've had some good advice on establishing what isn't acceptable behaviour and beginning some constructive groundwork that demands and grows respect from a horse.
    What I will add - and realize that some will disagree - that although we should be able to go into a pasture and hand out treats its not something I would ever do or encourage other people to do - especially children. Horses can get very demanding and begin pushing without intent of causing injury but the risk of getting caught up in their pecking order is still very high
    My opinion is that treats are for reward or individual attention, if you use them for catching a horse they should remain in your pocket until after the horse is haltered. Going into a field and handing them out the way your family were is asking for trouble unless you are very well established as a strong leader and the horses are very well trained to have good manners
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        08-31-2013, 01:37 PM
      #17
    Yearling
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    Originally Posted by jaydee    
    You've had some good advice on establishing what isn't acceptable behaviour and beginning some constructive groundwork that demands and grows respect from a horse.
    What I will add - and realize that some will disagree - that although we should be able to go into a pasture and hand out treats its not something I would ever do or encourage other people to do - especially children. Horses can get very demanding and begin pushing without intent of causing injury but the risk of getting caught up in their pecking order is still very high
    My opinion is that treats are for reward or individual attention, if you use them for catching a horse they should remain in your pocket until after the horse is haltered. Going into a field and handing them out the way your family were is asking for trouble unless you are very well established as a strong leader and the horses are very well trained to have good manners
    i completely agree with you jaydee --- the members here have been great about telling me when I have been stupid and offering solid tips for corrective actions


    All treats have been suspended until further notice --- with the feeding issues we already have - I don't want anything to encourage them to invade human space.

    Until the wife and kids learn how to establish those boundaries and enforce them -- they will continue to keep their distance from whiskey and only go in the pasture if they are carrying the lunging whip --- as it is --- kids are not allowed in the pasture without an adult ---- wife usually does not go in unless I am there and never goes without a whip
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        08-31-2013, 02:12 PM
      #18
    Weanling
    You, my friend, ROCK!!
    Keep up the good work (it's hard training horses and family members) but you'll be rewarded with lots of great memories of fun times together!
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        08-31-2013, 02:48 PM
      #19
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by JustDressageIt    
    Could you please explain the "not turning in on you" thing? If we are talking round penning or anything if the sort, you want the horse to change direction by turning in towards the center of the circle - ie bringing its front end in to turn around. You do not want the horse to change direction by swinging its hind end in.
    Or we're you just stating that you wanted her to stay out on the circle?
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    Since I'm not the OP I can't answer on their reasoning but I also don't like or allow my horses to turn in when I'm lunging them. My reason is that I hook the lunge line up by clipping it to the bit on the outside, up over the poll and through the bit on the inside. If they turn in and flip directions then my lunge line is on the wrong side and it's more difficult to control the horse. Plus I'm always worried they'll step too far in and get tangled in the line. I certainly don't want a line wrapped around their legs and attached to their head. I like to make them wait for me while I gather the line up, switch sides and then send them off the other direction. For me, it's a safety thing.

    Good job OP for establishing respect and enforcing the rules. It sounds like you're doing exactly the right things. Keep up the good work!!
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        08-31-2013, 03:11 PM
      #20
    Yearling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by JustDressageIt    
    Could you please explain the "not turning in on you" thing? If we are talking round penning or anything if the sort, you want the horse to change direction by turning in towards the center of the circle - ie bringing its front end in to turn around. You do not want the horse to change direction by swinging its hind end in.
    Or we're you just stating that you wanted her to stay out on the circle?
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    sorry -- I missed this one --- I probably do not have the horse vocubalary so say it right


    So what I mean from keeping her from turning in on me ---

    She will stop and turn in to face me and walk in to where I am standing -- chest to chest like she is trying to get me to yield

    Or she will turn in facing me and just stop and stare at me instead of turning to go the other direction


    I am sure in the second case I am not being clear and I am doing something wrong --- but in the first case - I feel she is not respecting my space and actively challenging me --- which is already an issue she has, especially when food is involved

    Yes -- I want her turning her front in to change direction, but I definitely do not want her walking in on me because she has been aggressive/dominant with me in the past by trying to kick me
         

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