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    11-12-2013, 10:53 AM
Originally Posted by DuckDodgers    
Careful... I've seen this exact logic backfire on folks, often with injuries to both horse and rider! Especially with kids involved- I've rarely seen an instance when "learning together" has been a good way to go. Teaching new movements and the like, definitely. But teaching to be a calm gentleman is a bit more hairy. I would suggest that you and a trainer put quite a few miles on him before letting the kids loose on him!
We are not planning on jumping on ANY horse and riding off into the sunset just yet. The kids will go through a lot of work in the pen, then graduate to the small pasture, and then the pasture. I think training is the key word here. I am a firm believer in "you can get hurt if you let your guard down" we are not cowboys by no means but we are surely not dumb enough to just turn our children loose on ANY machine nor horse until they have the proper training. I appreciate all the comments about this. Keep them coming. I'm telling you, if this horse hurts anyone it's going to be in slow motion. LOL he is just laid back.
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    11-12-2013, 11:08 AM
Originally Posted by Tate1    
I am going to buy him and with the assistance of the seller, we will all learn together.
I wish you all the best with your purchase, I really hope it works out well for you. All learning together can be a recipe for disaster, it is difficult to teach a horse while learning yourself. At best you will end up with a wonderful partner, I hope that is your outcome.

Sadly you can end up with a perfectly nice horse ruined by an inexperienced handler, or even with an inexperienced horse hurting their equally green owner.
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    11-12-2013, 11:59 AM
A three year old is just a youngster.

Unless you have a lot of experience buying one at that age is a not a good idea. It is best to learn on a mature horse with a solid training foundation. You learn and the horse is part of the training team. He knows what he is doing. Buying a young horse and expecting it to be a great learning tool for you and your children is not fair to a youngster. You need a seasoned horse for this project.
There are a lot of very knowledgeable people on this forum. Their advice is worth taking to heart.
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    11-12-2013, 12:18 PM
I can't really say anything about age. My gelding is a 18 year old Arabian, and is incredibly dangerous if you are not acutely aware of what you are doing. Im not staying he is a bad horse (I love him, wouldn't trade him for the world), I'm saying he is spirited, smart and pushy enough to kill someone with less experience. On the flip side is my friends 5 year old dartmoor/Hanoverian mare. You can literally jump her while sitting backwards (I didnt try but I saw it happen... Poor horse lol). I think it's possible IF you have a GOOD trainer, keep the horse at a place with lots of experienced people, take it slowly, and leave the kids out of the picture. To be honest, any horse can spook, and IMHO it takes a few years of riding experience to be able to sit a spook/buck/bolt and have any hope of regaining control and calming the horse. For your kids, I would invest in lessons on a nice, quiet schoolmaster horse at least a few months before they start the basics with the three year old. I'm not trying to be rude, and congratulations on the horse! We would all love some pics of him :)
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    11-12-2013, 12:46 PM
I think that is is very important to understand 2 different things here.

Safe horses, I totally believe that a horse can be 'safe' as in spook proof at 3, (disclaimer that no horse is totally spook proof), some are really laid back, seem to cope with all sorts of alarms ad excursions without over reacting. Some are never safe, they are always just spooky, looky, just daft right up to geriatric age.

Broke horses, no horse is broke fully at 3, they still have things to learn, and they need a rider who can teach them. Beginners, novice riders, etc will be far better suited to a horse who knows his job, an honest horse who wont take advantage of a rider who gives wrong signals.
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    11-12-2013, 12:47 PM
I too have been told not to start with a younger horse. That said, the first horse my trainer and I selected for me was an 18 year old, "been there, done that" horse. Long story short, he had some issues that I was not able to handle, even with a trainer's help.

Now I am working with a 6 year old. He is very laid back, known as "lazy", dead broke etc. Loves the kids, they can pick his feet, groom him and I can lead them around on his back no problem. However, he has tested me quite a bit already. Bucking at me in the round pen while lungeing, and has even bucked a few times under saddle. We've ruled out pain, so chances are he is either so "lazy" and out of shape that he just doesn't want to work and/or he is testing me as a different handler?? It will take time and training for us to understand one another and me to build confidence with him.

Point being, even though everyone else's experience with these horses has been that of great beginner, bombproof horses, that has not been my experience. I have to agree with everyone that a horse is a living, breathing animal and you have to be prepared for the unexpected sometimes. Any horse can have a "moment" and probably especially true with the younger ones with less experience.

Make sure if you get him that you have a trainer helping you along. I also would not recommend letting children ride independently (depending on their experience).
    11-13-2013, 01:06 AM
Originally Posted by 5kiddos    
...........I have to agree with everyone that a horse is a living, breathing animal and you have to be prepared for the unexpected sometimes. Any horse can have a "moment" and probably especially true with the younger ones with less experience.

That is extremely well said and I believe that it is absolutely true!
    11-13-2013, 06:51 AM
Well after thinking it over and studying everyone's post, we are looking at other horses with a little more age on them. I would like to thank each one for their input on this issue. LOL....... but this doesn't mean that tomorrow I won't be posting pics of our new 3 yr old. J/k
    11-13-2013, 10:15 AM
Good. I am glad to hear you've decided against the 3-yr-old. No matter what the seller says, a 3-year-old just cannot possibly be 100% broke. They do not have enough life experience. I've had some very nice 2 and 3 year olds that were quiet with no buck and so sweet. But I would still NEVER sell them to a beginner.

A good "general" rule of thumb you want for a first horse to learn on, is a horse that is over 10 years old and has been previously been ridden by children close to the skill level of your own.

When I was 14, I could ride the hair off of anything. My now 14-year-old cousin? Not so much. All kids are at different phases of learning.
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    11-13-2013, 11:14 AM
My suggestion would be lessons for the kids before buying at all. I know SO MANY kids who LOVE horses and then after a time lose interest. Kids learn to be around horses, learn how to ride on safe horses and make the whole buying one episode safer and more fun.

When I was in grade school, almost every female kid LOVED horses. By mid teens, then driving etc, that number dropped tremendously.

Plus, in taking lessons, you may find a lease horse that could be your dream horse! I know many who went that road as well. A coworker bought her leased lesson horse and wouldn't trade her for anything.
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