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        09-06-2013, 01:07 PM
    In this day and age, employers are NOT looking to hire "drop outs".

    From my own experience, my younger brother dropped out of school in Grade 9. He is now 19, all of his friends are graduated, and he is kicking himself in the a** for not finishing school as he can not get a "good" steady job to support himself.

    I hardly graduated, but I got my self together and managed to do it by taking some courses as "Learn at Home" courses and working hard. I wouldn't be where I am today if I didn't graduate High School, I may not have a University education as of now, but High School is something that really matters.
    Please, for your own future, put your nose to the grindstone and graduate whether it is homeschooling or not.

    ETD: The "homeschooling" I did was more so, go see a teacher in the program once a day or a few times a week, depending on the help you needed, do your work on the computer, the teachers had a system set up that you could "chat" with them and also send in your work. It was quite neat, "Learn @ Home". But I was doing this on the side to get my extra credits while STILL going to school every day.
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        09-06-2013, 01:24 PM
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    I find it rather interesting that most educational topics end up on the subject of homeschooling as of late, one way or another xD not that its necessarily a bad thing.

    I did just want to chime in and say that modernly, there are a multitude of ways for homeschoolers to get the necessary PE, science, math etc., help so that really is not an issue for us. In my area at least, there is a program called PREP that is specifically for homeschoolers that provides pretty much every class (even some electives) necessary to graduate high school, and they use licensed teachers to do so. I took this program from freshman year up until now (senior year) for my math and science classes so that I was able to participate in dissections (I did 15 of them in biology including dissections of fetal pigs, fresh deer hearts, and sheep eyes) and I took the math because, as some one else said, sometimes it is just very hard to teach yourself concepts such as those. The difference between taking those classes and public school classes is only that 1. Class sizes are MUCH smaller so help is more one on one... I had 6 kids in my Algebra II class and the help of my teacher is the only reason I got through that class with a B. And 2. You can pick and choose which classes you want to take through their system and which you want to do at home. For example, I am perfectly capable of learning history, economics, literature, etc on my own, so I chose to do those at home. The other classes I took out.

    Homeschooling these days can be as parent inclusive or exclusive as the family chooses for it to be. Online courses offer professional help and lectures, book based curriculums often have parent teaching requirements but give a very structured lay-out of how to go about teaching these things. Outside classes such as those mentioned above may even be completely parent exclusive.

    And because of that option, parents don't have to be PhDs in every subject to teach their child grades 1-12. My own mother only has a highschool education and didn't do spectacularely in it, yet she was easily able to fully teach me herself through middle school, and was able to get the resources for me to learn efficiently in high school. I have already surpassed both her arithmetic and science abilities by far, yet I am still learning (taking College Algebra, dual credit through a junior college, and AP physics through PREP) and doing well with keeping up with the public schoolers of my age. Homeschooling simply isn't what it was years ago.

    Back on subject though... LOL.

    OP- I think that it is very important to finish high school. I come from a family (none of which were homeschooled, by the way, everyone o.-) where graduating highschool was a big accomplishment and NO ONE went to college, and thus all of them have struggled greatly. Some more than others, but none of them have consistent jobs and constantly have financial trouble. My aunt dropped out of highschool in Senior year, 3 months before graduation for whatever reason... and is now only 20 with three kids, a husband who does not have a GED or diploma either, and SERIOUS financial trouble. They struggle to even rent a house and pay their electric bills, much less afford luxury items. One of my uncles is the same way, and is now 40 years old and still living with his dad...divorced and employed but barely making minimum wage.

    School teaches you so much more than academics, it teaches you to persevere. If you do not learn to do so now, and to be your own voice, you will have a VERY hard time doing so later on.
        09-06-2013, 01:34 PM
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    They didn't know what I was learning because 1) I was learning things like pre calc and trig. 2) my grandparents grew up in 40s and my mother has a GED. Hell, I don't remember how to do half that stuff now and I'm out of high school 8 years but no doubt pushing myself made me a better, smarter, person. Does you parents or grandparents know how to do trig and calc? Barring they don't need this stuff everyday for work.

    That brings me to my next point. How can you learn from someone who doesn't know what their doing or how to explain what your learning if your stuck?

    I wouldn't say people are sending their kids off to be raised by strangers. They are there to get an education. No doubt kids have to go to school so parents could work, but if it was all about the "babysitting" they would be making a babysitters salary. Going to school has MANY benefits, as does home schooling, but its not glorified babysitting.

    I'd say our school system is far from perfect and could use changing. I love the idea of montessori school! I also think the bullying things need a hard core crack down.

    If you can't handle public school I'd sooner send my children to private school before attempting to homeschool them.
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        09-06-2013, 01:35 PM
    My last post was a bit vague, I hope a can clarify myself now.

    OP, I highly recommend that you finish high school and receive your diploma. To be considered for most entry level jobs, employers require you to have a diploma of some sort.

    Now, a GED is not any easier to receive. There will be a series of tests that you do need to pass in order to achieve this diploma. I only mentioned this option because I would rather see you have something than to drop out completely.
        09-06-2013, 01:37 PM
    Originally Posted by Speed Racer    
    Sure, if you consider 1635 to be a current year, since the first public school in America was opened then. Schools in Europe, the Middle East and the UK go back even farther, but let's not worry about actual facts, shall we?

    You certainly don't seem to know much about the educational system, even though you're crowing oh so hard about being so successful at homeschooling all your kids. Makes me wonder what kind of gaps they have in their education.

    If people let teachers raise their children, then they're bad, lazy parents. Children spend more time at home than school, after all. Teachers aren't supposed to be babysitters, merely educators.
    and fine schools those were in the 1600's I'm sure. Fully integrated with girls and people of all kinds, and the teachings must have been exemplary.and are you really touting middle eastern education...Ugh. They still cover their women's faces. Apparently they learn NOTHING in hundreds of years.

    And as I have first hand experience in public school I certainly know more about it than you do homeschooling. And I didn't say parents were lazy or bad, Your words. And, when parents get home at 6 pm, kids to bed my 9 they are spending more time with a teacher in the day, and just like with a horse, every moment an adult is with a kid they are teaching. Can't be avoided.
        09-06-2013, 01:47 PM
    Endiku, wonderful post.

    I know that homeschooling has come a very long way, and in fact have a friend who homeschooled her daughter the last 2 years of HS. Not because the girl had any kind of trauma about going to school, just that it made more sense for their family, considering all the variables of their life.

    Anyone who thinks you stop learning after HS or college is wrong unless you're extremely lazy and unmotivated, but a formal education is invaluable when learning life and social skills, and will give you an edge when looking for employment.
        09-06-2013, 01:51 PM
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    I'm assuming that post was directed towards me, SlideStop?

    No, my grandparents did not do trig and calc. My dad went through Calc 2, so he can sometimes help me, but he is a busy man. My grandfather was drafted into war when he graduated and only got basic education and training as an electrician, so I honestly don't know how high his education went with math. All of my other grandparents are dead. Again though, homeschooling does not have to be extremely parent inclusive. There are classes available to those of us who are not able to learn simply from a textbook (though I know many who CAN learn that infuriates me! LOL) and tutors available through some programs.

    It is hard to explain a home schooling curriculum without being able to physically show it to you. I wish I could send you a copy, but alas they cost a lot of money and I doubt my mother would be happy. If you can imagine it, these curriculums are often teachers in and of themselves. They come with a student work book, text book, and testing material, and they come with parent/teacher guides that fully lay out everything from how to schedule the work so that you get done with the work within two semesters to exactly, word for word, how to explain the difference between say; paraphrasing and summarizing.

    The way that it works is that even when the parent him or herself can not understand what is being said, the student has gone through this particular course step by step and gets it when the parent reads it to them. I suppose it is sort of like me, a predominantly western rider who really only trail rides and does small bits of arena work, standing in an arena with a dressage rider and asking them to piaffe then transition into a canter. I can't particularly tell them HOW to piaffe, but I've seen a piaffe enough to know if they're doing it at least basically correctly or not. They know how to piaffe because they have done the preliminary work (that I have not) to build up to this piaffe, so they are able to do it when I ask them to, even if I don't. It isn't a perfect example, but its all I've got horse related xD its similar with school. The parent may not know exactly how to derive an answer, but because of the teacher book he/she knows what the answer IS, so he or she can check the child's work to tell them if it is right or not.

    Now you probably ask what exactly happens if the child struggles and the parent doesn't know how to explain differently? Well, my answer to that is google, yahoo, bing, ask, youtube, friend, ehow. LOL. You have no idea how many times I've had to take the initiative to say "Ok, I've been taught then and still don't get it. Let me find something that CAN explain it so that I understand." And I do just fine. It actually helps me develop my perseverance and ability to find new solutions to a seemingly impossible thing.

    All of that being said, I do want to state (as I have in other threads) that homeschooling is NOT for everyone. I actually wasn't even going to suggest homeschooling to OP, it just came up so I butted into the conversation. Home school is neither harder or easier to do necessarily, but it is a perfectly viable option. It is not a perfect option, but neither are the other options; public school, private school, or charter schools. Each type has its own flaws, and it is up to an individual to decide for themselves (or their children) which flaws they are most willing and able to work with to best educate themselves.

    ETA: Speed Racer, thank you ^_^ I'm never sure that my posts are going to make sense...LOL. I think that the choice of homeschooling is absolutely something that must be very careful considered by a family before they jump into it. It isn't for everyone, and some students do terribly with it just as some students do terribly in the public school system. People are not cookie cutter shaped, so some will fit into the mold created for one type of learner and some will not! It is up to the family and child to decide which mold they think they will fit best.
        09-06-2013, 01:54 PM
    Originally Posted by Mama26kids    
    and fine schools those were in the 1600's I'm sure. Fully integrated with girls and people of all kinds, and the teachings must have been exemplary.and are you really touting middle eastern education...Ugh. They still cover their women's faces. Apparently they learn NOTHING in hundreds of years. .
    I apologise now to the OP for taking this off track, but there are occasionally moments when I can't let comments like this pass unchecked.

    I find this whole statement really offensive and uninformed. About the only vaguely historically accurate thing in there is reference to the boys-only education that dominated Western civilisation in the Middle Ages and Reformation period.

    Apart from that I will say this:

    Unless you are fully informed in ALL aspects of society across our vast and varied world, and fully conversant with the cultural and social norms and expectations in all the countries of the world, AND have experience of the brilliant education systems around the world (including, yes schools where the girls cover their faces), then I do not think it is acceptable to write them all off with that kind of sweeping statement.

    Education - whether it is for the OP choosing to stay in mainstream education in one form or other, or for the adults on this board who have long ago left 'school' should always be happening. Learn about other cultures, don't dismiss them on prejudice alone.
        09-06-2013, 02:06 PM
    Originally Posted by Mama26kids    
    And as I have first hand experience in public school I certainly know more about it than you do homeschooling. And I didn't say parents were lazy or bad, Your words. And, when parents get home at 6 pm, kids to bed my 9 they are spending more time with a teacher in the day, and just like with a horse, every moment an adult is with a kid they are teaching. Can't be avoided.
    You did indeed insinuate that parents were lazy and bad for letting teachers 'raise' their children. That is patently untrue, and if you do have some sort of actual experience in public education you'd know that teachers don't want to raise someone elses children, nor should they.

    God forbid both spouses have to work to provide food, clothing and shelter for their children. Not all of them have the luxury of being able to have one spouse not work so you need to bless your luck about that, not vilify others because they don't have that ability. Besides, it's not the quantity of time spent, it's the quality. That works for horses as well, and since you're a total noob with horses as you've said before, I think I know more about that than you.

    You're coming off as holier than thou, and yet I don't see where your arguments carry much merit since they're based on personal prejudice and not actual facts.

    As far as you having more expertise than me in anything? That's not something on which you'd better bet the farm.
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        09-06-2013, 02:06 PM
    There is no intelligence in covering a women's face. Period.

    Everything after that is null.

    And btw, NOBODY is full informed in all aspects yada yada, as you apparently aren't either because if you had to walk a day in burka being told what to do you may change your mind.

    I will NEVER condone any education or belief system that holds women down. EVER.
    Thankfully there are lots of gals like me around and that's why we can wear tank tops and ride horses and do all sorts of great things.
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