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        06-24-2013, 06:42 PM
      #11
    Weanling
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    Originally Posted by x8jason8x    
    I appreciate the candor, but this RARELY works. 99.9999999999999% of the time, the horse thinks it's a game. I promise you didn't hurt that horse at all, and probably just bruised your knuckles. NEVER hit a horse in the head! It makes them head shy. Do not take this advice at all. All you need to do when a horse bites is bump (not kick, bump) it's shin or coronet band with your toe or heel as it nips/bites. It makes the horse look down when it thinks of getting nippy. You'll have most horses nip free inside a day. Mine quit within an hour.
    In that situation, I doubt the intention was to hurt the horse.
         
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        06-24-2013, 06:42 PM
      #12
    Foal
    She's not aggressive at all... She just has her ears back a lot. Trying to figure out what she's trying to tell me ya know... thank you
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        06-24-2013, 06:45 PM
      #13
    Weanling
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    Originally Posted by pinkbow    
    She's not aggressive at all... She just has her ears back a lot. Trying to figure out what she's trying to tell me ya know... thank you
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    Maybe she is practicing for future photographs, LOL.

    But seriously, if she isn't being aggressive (but keep and eye on that anyway...babies can get silly sometimes) I wouldn't worry about it too much.
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        06-24-2013, 06:49 PM
      #14
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by JaphyJaphy    
    In that situation, I doubt the intention was to hurt the horse.
    I'm certain it wasn't. The idea is to create the sensation of discomfort through pain. Problem is, the horse just thinks it's a game, and you're the one losing. Hitting a horse in the face does not work, even if the behavior subsides, the horse is now throwing it's head every time hands come near. There's just no good reason to hit a horse. They aren't doing things to hurt or displease you. Instead of being a human and thinking like the predators we are, try thinking like a horse. I'm sure this has been said repeatedly in a horse forum. Lol
         
        06-24-2013, 06:55 PM
      #15
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by pinkbow    
    She's not aggressive at all... She just has her ears back a lot. Trying to figure out what she's trying to tell me ya know... thank you
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    When my foal came home, he was standoffish for a while. The more time you spend with her and handle her, she'll become more agreeable. I had mine being a regular social butterfly within a week, not to mention giving kisses, laying down, backing, and side passing. I got lucky with him too, he's never kicked me, or anyone.
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        06-24-2013, 09:01 PM
      #16
    Weanling
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    Originally Posted by x8jason8x    
    The idea is to create the sensation of discomfort through pain.
    Whose idea?

    Pain is discomfort, and so to me this sounds redundant. Would you be kind enough to clarify what you mean here? I've always worked on the premise that horses learn from the release of pressure. In my mind, pain isn't a necessary component.

    I see you're quite new to the forum. If you're truly as experienced as you appear to be, you'll surely know that if you ask 5 horsepeople a question, you'll get 5 different answers. I'm very curious to hear your perspective!

    P.S. Not intending to thread-jack. OP, you might even find this info useful later on in your filly's training process.
         
        06-24-2013, 09:47 PM
      #17
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by JaphyJaphy    
    Whose idea?

    Pain is discomfort, and so to me this sounds redundant. Would you be kind enough to clarify what you mean here? I've always worked on the premise that horses learn from the release of pressure. In my mind, pain isn't a necessary component.

    I see you're quite new to the forum. If you're truly as experienced as you appear to be, you'll surely know that if you ask 5 horsepeople a question, you'll get 5 different answers. I'm very curious to hear your perspective!

    P.S. Not intending to thread-jack. OP, you might even find this info useful later on in your filly's training process.
    Obviously, I don't condone striking any animal. Horsewise, I meant in a general sense. A lot of people tend to treat a horse like a dog when they don't know much about them, and this gets them in a lot of bad habits with their horse. I use press and release for just about everything personally. This is not to say that sometimes, breaking a bad habit can't ever get a bit physical, but that balling up your fist and striking the horse does absolutely no good. At best the horse thinks it's a game. Worse is head throwing, shyness, timidity, and as any of us disagreeable *******s can admit, aggressive behavior in some. I'm no parelli, but I've been around horses all my life, and I know with all certainty striking animals does not work. A few times when seeing it occur in front of me, I've offered the person a taste of their own "training". Never been taken up on it lol. Put it like this: If you ever feel like you have a good reason to strike a prey animal, you should be retrained. Not the horse. Horses gon' horse. Humans should know better.

    So, to clarify, no training method EVER advises striking as a training tool or discouragement. I meant attempting to CAUSE pain as a deterrent by popping a horse in the mouth only physically hurts the person punching. It does not hurt the horse, does not deter biting, in fact encourages it, because at best the horse thinks you're playing a game with him, and you're losing in his opinion.
         
        06-24-2013, 10:12 PM
      #18
    Weanling
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    Originally Posted by x8jason8x    

    So, to clarify, no training method EVER advises striking as a training tool or discouragement.
    But see, some actually do advise such actions.

    However, I'm glad to see you don't! Thanks for the explanation, I appreciate it.
         
        06-24-2013, 11:25 PM
      #19
    Showing
    Pink, there's a fine line between the filly following you and the filly thinking she's driving you away. Since her ears were pinned I'm going to say she thinks she's driving you away which makes her herd position superior to yours. The next time she does this suddenly turn to face her and stamp one foot as you take a step toward her and hold your hand to block her. This should surprise her and cause her to stop. Remain like this until her ears come up.
         
        06-24-2013, 11:30 PM
      #20
    Weanling
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    Originally Posted by Saddlebag    
    Pink, there's a fine line between the filly following you and the filly thinking she's driving you away. Since her ears were pinned I'm going to say she thinks she's driving you away which makes her herd position superior to yours. The next time she does this suddenly turn to face her and stamp one foot as you take a step toward her and hold your hand to block her. This should surprise her and cause her to stop. Remain like this until her ears come up.
    Great advice.

    I just looked at the photos of the OP's filly and in one picture, she does have her ears pinned.
         

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