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    08-09-2013, 06:01 AM
Green Broke
Originally Posted by Squirrelle    
I do keep a halter on him. And when he did kick, I then went and grabbed his halter and made him follow my lead, I wanted to be sure he knew who was in charge, but I was not sure what all else I should do to display leadership.
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To display leadership is to make his feet move. Groundwork. Lunging, backing, yielding his front and rear end. Think of it this way. The one that moves their feet first loses. If he can make you move your feet, he is leader. If you can make him move his feet, you are leader. Sometimes you may need to move your feet first, to get closer to him, to make him move away from you. You still are displaying a leader role.

If you watch a herd and the lead horse, that horse will give signs for the other to move away. First is the glare: ear pinning. Next is the swishing of the tail and ear pinning. Last is either an open mouth to bite or them backing up to kick. The trick for humans is to create a language with the horse that does the same thing. We can't pin our ears but we can use our body and the way we walk and hold our posture to communicate with the horse. It takes some time to learn how. I've been able to walk in the pasture and scatter the horses just with the way I walk. I can walk thru relaxed and they're fine. Get me pissed off and they know I'm trying my darnedest to pin my ears. It does take some practice and working with them to learn your body language.
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    08-09-2013, 08:36 AM
Originally Posted by EvilHorseOfDoom    

Sorry-crying laughing at the last person on that video......she SO deserved that!
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    08-09-2013, 09:13 AM
Green Broke
Ditto, you need to nip the kicking out in the bud, regardless of the reason.

1. My first thought is now that he's feeling better and gaining weight, his real personality will start coming out.

2. What a horse eats makes a huge difference in how they behave - believe me I know - I have a horse with oat/corn/soy allergies. He used to be a Jekyll-Hyde, nasty man when he was eating grain & soy based feed.

3. Buy yourself a buggy whip. They serve many useful purposes besides tapping a horse on the butt when it's being driven The buggy whip will be your friend in many situations

3.1 A buggy whip makes an excellent Long Arm Of The Law - an extension of your own arm.

When the lad gets ahead of you and kicks out (as he surely will), have that buggy whip ready for action before he gets ready for action.

The second that hind leg comes up and out, whap it as hard as you can. You don't have enough muscle to hurt him but you will get his attention.

You can either remain silent and let him think the Boogie Man reached right out of the ground and tried to grab that kicking leg, or you can whap him and say "NAH!" in a loud and ominious voice.

At this point he will have a startled look, maybe shake his head, and move ahead.

It's only five of the 30 seconds of "I am going to kill you" but it's very effective.

4. My food allergy horse can also get pushy at the gate - even after 16+ years of me telling him, he is not allowed to rush the gate. When opening the gate, I keep the buggy whip tucked under my arm. When he starts to push me, he gets the end of the buggy whip poked in his chest pretty good. I never say a word, I don't have to, he knows full well what he did and he immediately backs off, to politely wait until I tell him it's ok to come thru.

5. Buggy whips are good to "go ahead of you" in the tall grass, in case there's a big spider web smack dab in the way you want to walk

6. Buggy whips or riding crops are handy to have standing in the soapy bath bucket if your horse wants to kick out during bath time. It's a wonder my food allergy horse has back legs. He still will slightly raise his hoof just to test me (after 16 years:( but these days all I have to do is say "NAH!" and he puts his hoof At Ease.
    08-09-2013, 01:46 PM
Originally Posted by MsLady    
Woman Kicked in the Face by Horse [FUNNY] - YouTube

I believe this is the video of the girl (I do not think this is funny).
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What a beautiful horse! This girl is, sadly, an idiot. I sure hope she is ok. Great teaching video - that's for sure!
    08-09-2013, 02:04 PM
Originally Posted by usandpets    
From this description, here is my guess. He decided to leave you. You followed in the same direction to leave the pasture. He felt you were pressuring him to move and didn't like it. He kicked out as a warning for you to back off. I see it happen a lot in our gelding pasture. One gets pesty and follows the others. He'll nip at them if they don't move. Most of the time the others do move but occasionally they kick out to say "knock it off".

It shouldn't matter if he is being playful or being snotty. Kicking at a human is intolerable. You should chase him off but keep yourself out of kicking range.
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this^. He decided to leave you. That's his mistake. Your mistake would be to reprimand that TOO close. You do want to make his decision to leave you one that he'll regret, but not too close, or he could contact you. So, though you want to make your reprimand (smacking the whip on him or good and hard on the ground, with lots of commotion) as soon as possible after his transgression, you DO have to give enough time so that he moves out of kicking range. Then, wham! Smack him if you can safely reach him, or smack the ground very loudly and scarily. He'll jump and turn back and look at what just happended behind him.
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    08-09-2013, 08:06 PM
Why Horses Kick

Here's a good article wherein author gives 6 reasons a horse may kick.
    08-10-2013, 02:19 AM
Completely agree with you about the buggy (driving) whip, walkinthewalk!! Best $30 I ever spent, saved my butt so many times and fixed my horse. Lunge whips are just too long and cumbersome, dressage whips too short, but the buggy whip is just right (as Goldilocks would say)!
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