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  • Horses in below -20 what to do for them if any thing please help

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    07-29-2013, 03:33 PM
  #1
Foal
Help please.

Hello, Thank you in advance for your assistance. Ok so I purchased two horses, a 2 yr old mare, we brought her home, she was sweet, gentle, led well, basically no problems with her. The seller was aware that I was bringing home a 5 mo old filly the day after bringing the 2 yr old home and expressed no concerns to me, she was also aware that I am a novice. I kept hearing how horses do better with other horse company so I thought nothing of it. Well as soon as the 5 mo old arrived the 2 yr old completely changed. Gone was my sweet 2 yr old. I ended up calling the seller of the 2 yr old to assist me in getting the 5 mo old out of the trailer as everything we tried didn't work. She showed up and quickly assisted me in unloading the foal and then informed me that the 2 yr old was going to be jealous for a while. That was an understatement. The 2 yr old is now clearly angry with me, she puts her ears back, won't let me touch her, she whips her rearend around and acts as though she is going to kick me, frankly I am now uncomfortable with her. What can I do to get back the sweetheart I had the first day? Also, I live in the Billings, MT area and would love if someone can recommend a trainer in my area for me to contact. I am not looking for someone to train my horse, as that wouldn't teach me anything, but someone to train me to train my horse. I want both my horses on the right path. Thank you for your time and help.
     
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    07-29-2013, 03:47 PM
  #2
Weanling
Be happy your horse isn't beating up the 5 month old... We weaned my filly Twista from her mom and we put them back together a few weeks ago. My filly has a kick and bite marks all over her.

Is there any way you can separate them? Or take the 2 year old in a roundpen and work with her?
     
    07-29-2013, 03:50 PM
  #3
Super Moderator
Sounds like you have bitten off a lot for first time hores ownership and looking for local help is the single best thing you can do now.

I don't think the 2 yr old is "mad at you". She is more likely being posessive of the baby, or defensive of her position in the hiererarchy of the "herd".

You will have to put a stop to such displays from her, pronto. Sweetness is not required, but respect is. Throw away any idea of having her go back to being "sweet". You will have to discipline her when she pins her ears or swings her butt toward you, but since you are a real novice, you must be careful you don't get kicked. That's why I suggest you find the trainer to help YOU as soon as possible.
We have some Montana members here, maybe they have some specific recommendations for you.
     
    07-29-2013, 05:57 PM
  #4
Foal
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Originally Posted by Thrill Ride    
Be happy your horse isn't beating up the 5 month old... We weaned my filly Twista from her mom and we put them back together a few weeks ago. My filly has a kick and bite marks all over her.

Is there any way you can separate them? Or take the 2 year old in a roundpen and work with her?
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    07-29-2013, 05:58 PM
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Foal
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Originally Posted by Thrill Ride    
Be happy your horse isn't beating up the 5 month old... We weaned my filly Twista from her mom and we put them back together a few weeks ago. My filly has a kick and bite marks all over her.

Is there any way you can separate them? Or take the 2 year old in a roundpen and work with her?
She was and I separated them ASAP.
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    07-31-2013, 02:08 PM
  #6
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I agree that this is probably a hierarchy problem and the 2year old is winning.

You have made a big mistake in purchasing two young horses when you say you are a novice -as the saying goes "Green +green = black and blue!"

It takes years of experience to train a horse correctly. If you do not know what you are doing, and it is all very well having a trainer there with you, how can you teach a young horse what is required when you do not know the 'feel' you are trying to achieve?
You can liken it to someone who has only driven on rural roads trying to teach a non driver how to drive a semi in New York City.

You need to learn how to handle both horses on the ground, to read their body language, to correct the slightest issue and to take hours of lessons on a schooled horse.
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    07-31-2013, 08:08 PM
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Green Broke
From what I imagine a few things is going on. First the 2 year old is testing you - not uncommon at all. Most horses do it after you get them to work out their boundaries, it starts within a week or so and goes on as long as you let it. It's not a problem at all as long as you set those boundaries when they test them, however you haven't. The horse swung it's hind to you and you let it happen, you gave up your leadership.

Two year olds are usually pretty low on the pecking order in an established herd, so this horse isn't used to taking charge, yet you gave her a 5 month old foal who had to be below her as well. Now your horse is in a strange place with no leadership, and alone, she's having to step up and doesn't know how. In a herd she'd have a crabby old mare to put her into line - she's got nothing like that here.

Unfortunately, for the next few years this horse will likely be pushing the boundaries. Even if an experienced owner had her she'd still try, because that's the age she's going through, she's like a teenager. However, an experienced owner would constantly correct the behaviour.

Young horses are a lot of work, and even the most quiet and calm ones often aren't suitable for novice owners and riders because they require someone to constantly put them in their place until they're 5 or 6 and start understanding what is expected of them. They require constant leadership.

There are a few things you could do however, I don't think it's worth going into them online because it's all about timing, placement etc and you can't explain that without being there in person. If you don't find any recommendations for a trainer on here, go to your local feed store or tack store and ask, call up your local riding clubs and ask.
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