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post #1 of 23 Old 11-27-2013, 07:45 PM Thread Starter
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Help please! Need training advice!

I just got a 10 yr old morgan last month, iv been working with him every day after work and on my days off, I wanted himt o get use to me before I did aything. Iv been making it clear that when im brushing him I don't want him going forward, and he's slowly learning that he needs to stand still and let me brush him. I can lead him with little resistance and lessening stops to eat grass with out me allowing him to. He lets me pick you and clean all four hooves with no problem at all, and dosent try to push me any more. Im looking for some tips on how to further assert my dominance and show him im the boss and he's safe with me, so he will trust me more, so I can be his friend as well as his leader. I heard a good way to do that is to stand around him when he eating grass, to sort of simulate another horse watching for danger? Im not sure of how true that is... and im sure it sounds really stupid, I haven't tried it yet. But that's why im asking lol! Any help would be appreciated!
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post #2 of 23 Old 11-27-2013, 07:55 PM
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go get Clinton andersons basic training book, and follow the instructions from front to back.
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go get Clinton andersons basic training book, and follow the instructions from front to back.
Thanks! I couldent find his book for some reason but I found a basic training thingy on youtube by him! Im watching it now and its super helpful!! Thank you again!
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Hi & welcome!

Sounds like you're off to a good start. I think learning about natural equine behaviour and about behavioural principles of training is really helpful in considering when/how/why to do things... or not. It's vital to understand & consider natural behaviour, and to understand the principles behind how we (can) effect their behaviour(aka training).

There's plenty out there to learn from, but here are a few to start with... Equine Behavior- Homepage AEBC - Articles The Cognitive Horse | For a horse-human relationship based on reciprocal expression The Clicker Center **I think it's so important to understand the principles(have I said that enough??) in order to consider objectively what sorts of techniques or 'methods' you want to use.

...and one I just found that explains basically how I feel about 'dominance' The Dominance Model and Horsemanship by Equine Ethology Are Dead | enlightened horsemanship through touch IMO 'natural' doesn't necessarily mean it's the best or appropriate answer in any situation, any more than punishment is necessarily wrong. I do think there is a big difference in 'dominance' vs 'respected leadership' and I strive for leadership.

Re your question of hanging out with your horse, I personally feel that is valuable. Being with your horse without expecting anything from him will allow him to become more comfortable with you, you can watch & learn from him, you can reinforce him for wanting to be with you. To help him gain trust in you as a leader who will look out for his safety, being considerate of his point of view on things is a huge start. Being clear & consistent and assertive in what you ask of him & not asking more than he can fairly give you.
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Just posting to say, re-read everything Loosie just said it's the best advice you'll get My horses (all 18 of the ones I train - including my own 3) have all excelled SO far with Positive Reinforcement training and my knowledge of how everything learns has grown - I have a whole new understanding of how it all works. I'm amazed and thrilled with the results!

This is another thread which has a great "summing up" of details on the basics of how and why Positive Reinforcement works (and what it is!)
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Hi & welcome!

Sounds like you're off to a good start. I think learning about natural equine behaviour and about behavioural principles of training is really helpful in considering when/how/why to do things... or not. It's vital to understand & consider natural behaviour, and to understand the principles behind how we (can) effect their behaviour(aka training).

There's plenty out there to learn from, but here are a few to start with... Equine Behavior- Homepage AEBC - Articles The Cognitive Horse | For a horse-human relationship based on reciprocal expression The Clicker Center **I think it's so important to understand the principles(have I said that enough??) in order to consider objectively what sorts of techniques or 'methods' you want to use.

...and one I just found that explains basically how I feel about 'dominance' The Dominance Model and Horsemanship by Equine Ethology Are Dead | enlightened horsemanship through touch IMO 'natural' doesn't necessarily mean it's the best or appropriate answer in any situation, any more than punishment is necessarily wrong. I do think there is a big difference in 'dominance' vs 'respected leadership' and I strive for leadership.

Re your question of hanging out with your horse, I personally feel that is valuable. Being with your horse without expecting anything from him will allow him to become more comfortable with you, you can watch & learn from him, you can reinforce him for wanting to be with you. To help him gain trust in you as a leader who will look out for his safety, being considerate of his point of view on things is a huge start. Being clear & consistent and assertive in what you ask of him & not asking more than he can fairly give you.
Thanks! Yeah I think just being around him and grooming him has done more than anything i'v tryed as of yet! That and leading him around. Just this week he has made progress with nor stopping to eat grass unless I let him and he has started to become more easy to bring him to a stop. I can lead him fairly easily, thank you so much! I just need him to stop sticking his head in my pocket and trying to find treats, but maybe I should just stop putting them in their. Can't fault a horse for finding food! Lol, but again thank you ^^ this was a big big help!
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i just need him to stop sticking his head in my pocket and trying to find treats, but maybe I should just stop putting them in their.
I wouldn't stop putting them there, but I am particular about 'manners', one of which is that a horse is not allowed to invade my personal space without being expressly asked to and never allowed to 'mug' me like that, regardless what I might have on me. I would put a stop to this, consistently & effectively, and instead reinforce 'polite' behaviours such as tucking his nose in, taking a step back, etc. A pocket full of treats is a great help in teaching good manners!
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I disagree with the pocket full of treats horse should do what's asked without having to be given a treat. I have a gelding if given treat by hand gets down right rude and pushy. He's never ever alound in my space period. His reward for good behavour is a pet he never gets treats when being trained.

Iam the one who goes to him to reward he is never aloud to come in my space when haltered...he knows it and respects that.
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I disagree with the pocket full of treats horse should do what's asked without having to be given a treat. I have a gelding if given treat by hand gets down right rude and pushy. He's never ever alound in my space period. His reward for good behavour is a pet he never gets treats when being trained.

Iam the one who goes to him to reward he is never aloud to come in my space when haltered...he knows it and respects that.
I think what Loosie was trying to say is that a horse should behave whether or not you have food in your pocket or in your hand. If you can't feed them without the horse being rude that's something that needs to be fixed.
My way of fixing this would be to reinforce the horse standing politely.
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I think what Loosie was trying to say is that a horse should behave whether or not you have food in your pocket or in your hand. If you can't feed them without the horse being rude that's something that needs to be fixed.
My way of fixing this would be to reinforce the horse standing politely.
This horse is a orphan that was human raised. I can have treats in my pocket its not an issue if I give treats its in a feed pan.I don't believe in hand feeding period. He gets pushy he gets punished. He's a dominate horse you give him an inch he takes a mile.

If your not the leader he will run all over you he doesn't dear with me none of my horses dear to invade my space. When fed grain they aren't aloud to come eat till I say so all three horses will stand back away from feed pan...until I say they can eat.

Same thing with hay not aloud to eat till I say so.

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