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        06-26-2013, 04:43 PM
    The OP has admitted a lack of knowledge and a fear and is asking for advice, not to be called stupid. She may have made some mistakes, ones we roll our eyes for seeing so often, but for now, helpful advice is what is needed.
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        06-26-2013, 04:45 PM
    Ok let me set it straight !!!! IM NOT TRYING TO TRAIN A HORSE !!!! I sent him to a qualified trainer. He came home on Sunday and is completely different horse. He stands still when I groom him. I don't have to tie him. He respects my space. My husband has ridden. He reins, listens to your feet, backs up when told to. As far as my knowledge of horse, yes it limited, but im trying. No of you where knowing everything about horses... you learned it, just like I'm. Dang...cut me so slack. You where once a beginner too !!
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        06-26-2013, 04:53 PM
    Point is.. Do not need a new law. If you want laws regarding everything you do, say, own etc.. go live in some other country. Socialism communistic ideals giving the gov't power over personal choice.. IS Wrong.
    Has nothing to do with a toddler, and yep once they touch something Hot they have learned what the word Hot means. ( not go throw them in a fire )
        06-26-2013, 04:53 PM
    How can we help you?
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        06-26-2013, 04:57 PM
    Perhaps your Hubby needs to go and take some lessons with you , and catch the horse up to groom him. Maybe after the horse learns some respect you can groom them without haltering them. I have some horses I can groom w/o halter and others that have got to be haltered. But it is much safer for a beginner to halter the horse while grooming. Also, walking around the pen with them is fine, but always watch the horse, if it was to spook,you could get hurt.
    Is the best advice I can give you.
        06-26-2013, 04:58 PM
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    Sorry if you were offended
    If the horse is just nervous of your husband then all he can do is work on reassuring the horse that he's no threat to him and that can take time and it will take a lot of patience too. Unfortunately that's not something that can be taught over the internet
    It will help your confidence if you ride a steady reliable horse for a while and that's the best advice anyone can give you
    A young horse that's had a few weeks with a trainer is still a green horse and still has a lot to learn so having his education continued by someone who knows what they're doing will help him progress
    Yes we were all beginners once - and I can't speak for anyone else here - I learnt to ride as a very young child but my first ponies were all very carefully chosen so they would be safe and help me to learn how to ride really well without the fears of them doing something dangerous.
    For me the unbroken green horses came much further on down the line.
    Hence my suggestion that you improve your riding on something sensible so you can then use that experience to keep this young horse on the right path
        06-26-2013, 05:27 PM
    I was just wanting to know how to treat my horse like a horse and not a pet ? What do they expected out of me as a leader? Yeah some lessons I've learned the hard way, I've been bucked, stepped on but I get back on and learn from it.
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        06-26-2013, 06:14 PM
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    This is going to sound in opposition here to some other posts - but the horses I have now are 'pets' in the sense of the word. I don't make a living out of them and they are a 'part of the family' so much so that we brought 3 of the stupid things with us from the UK
    This is how it is with me though - even pets have to have boundaries and we all see that differently too I suppose, I don't allow even my small dogs on the sofas or beds, my large deerhound x pointer knows its not allowed to jump up or he'll knock me over and the little dogs know that running under my feet is likely to get them trodden on or me tripped up - so I establish rules that are clear, consistent and fair.
    I don't want my horses to fear me but I do want them to know that if I say "NO' I mean that so sometimes they do get a slap or a harsh word to keep them in line.
    If you care for your horse, make them need you and treat them with respect then the occasional punishment when called for wont hurt them or your relationship with them.
    What you must remember though is you have to be consistent - its not fair to the horse to allow it shove at you with its nose one day and then punish it the next day because its knocked you flat.
    That doesn't mean you can't get close up to them - if I stand in the stable my pinto who was a terrified wreck not so long ago will come and put her head by my shoulder and snuggle up if I invite her too - and your own body language offers that invitation. It has to be polite and on your terms.
    I'm not sure what else you want to know - and this is just how I do things but it works for me and always has.
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        06-26-2013, 06:58 PM
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    OP, to treat the animal like a horse YOU must be mentally TOUGH. It means the horse does WHAT you want, WHEN you want, and if there is a hesitation, you find a way to MAKE it happen. We should not say "easy, honey darling precious horsey" as they trample us. Give that halter a snap and MOVE them off of you. They move one foot? Make them put it back.

    It is not as easy as that, but a start. Always remember we are predators, and they are PREY. Horses think everything is going to eat them, and we have to convince them otherwise, by being their leader, but that means NOT being afraid, and not talking down to them, and not rewarding them when they do not doing what we want, but teaching them what it IS we want.

    Horses learn on the release, which is not the easiest concept, because it is backwards from us. When a horse does the correct thing, we have to have the timing to QUIT teaching right then, not ina little while.

    We will TRY to help, but, as you can see, it is hard in real life, nearly impossible on the internet!

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        06-26-2013, 08:07 PM
    Having the trainer who worked with this horse spend some time demonstrating for you the way to deal with little problems that creep up in daily horse life, such as when you feed, lead and groom, will help you know how to deal with them. I mean, people can tell you about being firm and being a leader and all, but it's really easiest to just observe and mimic someone else. And, you don't necessarily want to approach the horse like he's an enemy that you have to be prepared to get before he gets you. But, rather to learn to see where the horse is "pushing" on you in a way that is not acceptable for one horse to push on another horse that is above him in the pecking order.

    for some horses, very small amounts of such behavior, such as them gently resting their nose on you, or sniffing you or such , can be tolerated because the horse is not trying to see if he can then push even more over you. Some horses just aren't that aggressive. You can allow them a little leeway.

    But others, they need you to be very clear with EVERYTHING that you do with them, that you are always in charge. If not, then little problems lead to bigger ones. So, you do not allow too much familiarity, you dont' hand feed, you never allow them to back sass if you ask them to go forward.

    Your horse? I'd ask the trainer, but I would suspect he may need more firmness. But again, having someone SHOW you how to behave with this horse would be much better than a bunch of people giving advice over the internet.

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