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        06-26-2013, 07:22 PM
      #21
    Trained
    Use that trainer for everything you do with this horse. We can give you advice on the internet, but hands on training is where it's at to gain proper experience & stay safe.
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        06-27-2013, 08:05 AM
      #22
    Green Broke
    As I said.. every time you go out to spend time with the horses have a PURPOSE. Do not just "hang out" with them.

    Make a plan even if it is just to brush one or the other horse.

    You do not want to be a member of their herd. Be clear and consistent with everything you do and have a purpose.

    Some folks think they can "bond" with a horse like a herd member. You don't want to do that as a human. You want to be the human and be in charge.

    This does not mean you can't pet your horse as part of something else you are doing (we like to pet horses!). It means have a purpose first and foremost and then add in the more fun stuff. Just be CLEAR and CONSISTENT and CALM and CONFIDENT.
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        06-27-2013, 11:47 AM
      #23
    Foal
    So here's my plan.
    1. When I go out to spend time with the the horses, have a purpose.Become more of leader.
    2. Become a better rider, which means going to a trainer. Spend more time riding the mare we have. Instead of letting my daughter ride her all the time.Our mare is "kiddie broke" and " bomb proof" but extremely lazy.
    3. When I can ride her and feel confident, then move on to the gelding. With the help of the trainer.
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        06-27-2013, 12:00 PM
      #24
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    Originally Posted by Elana    
    As I said.. every time you go out to spend time with the horses have a PURPOSE. Do not just "hang out" with them.

    Make a plan even if it is just to brush one or the other horse.

    You do not want to be a member of their herd. Be clear and consistent with everything you do and have a purpose.

    Some folks think they can "bond" with a horse like a herd member. You don't want to do that as a human. You want to be the human and be in charge.

    This does not mean you can't pet your horse as part of something else you are doing (we like to pet horses!). It means have a purpose first and foremost and then add in the more fun stuff. Just be CLEAR and CONSISTENT and CALM and CONFIDENT.

    I have been thinking about this, and I slightly disagree.
    Yes, you don't want to just be a subordinate member of the herd. But, hanging out with the horses is not a bad thing, in my experience. You can just hand with them peacefully, AND, you can go up and move them around a bit, THEN hang out with them peacefully.

    And as for petting, most horses don't really get off on being petted. They may enjoy a good scratch to an itchy place, and that can be a kind of pleasurable thing to share with them, as long as you can move them away/around as YOU direct first.

    But, the thing that is the most rewarding for most horses is to be left in peace. Of course, YOU don't get the 'credit' for leaving them in peace if you never work with or hang out with them. So, first you make them do something, and then you reward them by leaving them in peace for a bit, which feels good to them. You move them around, make them pay attention and move away from some food, or move away from you, or back up, and when they've done well, you turn part way away from them, and allow them to just stand there and soak up the peace of doing nothing. They perceive it as you just gave them some peace, so they credit you with both being able to move them around, but then also turning off the pressure and giving them what they love the most; peace.

    So, just hanging out with the horses can be productive and pleasurable, to both horse and human. But I agree that having a "plan and a purpose" to how you interact with them is very good.
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        06-27-2013, 12:13 PM
      #25
    Weanling
    I like your plan! It's clear and easy to do. Understanding the healthy human/horse bond can be difficult because it doesn't mesh with our other experiences. You come home and the dogs wag their tails and come to you, your spouse and kids welcome you.
    When I go into the paddock my horse moves off the other way. My husband asked if it bothered me and I just told him no! My horse is eating, sunbathing, relaxing, napping - all that fun horse stuff. I show up and it's time to work. That's just the way it is. I try to make our rides fun and mentally stimulating for the both of us but sometimes it's just arena work. He's going to sweat and he's going to be away from his buddies.
    It's not the fuzzy pink pony stuff of childhood dreams but once you get over that you just have to remind yourself why you even have horses. Yes he resents me for interrupting his good time, but when I'm only taking a few hours out of his day, he can get over it!
    Let us know how things are going for all of you- I think you've done a lot of internal work on your own expectations and limitations and that's a huge step!! It's hard to put our egos aside long enough to ask those tough honest questions. You're doing it
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        06-27-2013, 12:14 PM
      #26
    Green Broke
    Lazy = good at this point.
    1st step riding, you need to learn your Aids. These you can practice at the walk. Walking is good. Work on your position.. heels down, weight in your heels not in your butt.. heels is line with your ear, aids for a turn to the right and turn the left. Lengthening the walk stride and shortening it. Going from walk to halt and back to walk without losing balance (you and the horse). BREATHE (you).

    Circles.. looking at the center of the circle and concentrating on making the circle round (staying the same distance all the way around from the center of the circle and using all your aids.. not just your hands). Spiral in and spiral out.

    Serpentines making sure each loop is the same size with a two steps straight before starting the next loop. You can get some cheapy cones to help.

    Working on sitting up straight and looking where you want to go and planning where you want to go (yup..even in the arena) and NOT looking down at the horse.

    Have someone lead the horse at a walk and close your eyes and feel when each foot hits the ground and call out what foot it is (right Front, Left rear and so forth). The walk is a 4 beat gait so you can do that.

    Have someone hold the horse while you (eyes open now).stand in the stirrups dropping your heels down and letting all your weight be in your heels. Keeping your legs in correct position lean forward and touch your horses ears (each hand then both hands). Same with the rear end. Reach down and touch your right foot with your right hand and then your left foot with your left hand keeping your butt from coming out of the saddle or your legs out of position.

    And remember.. heels down..

    That will help you get started.
         
        06-27-2013, 12:21 PM
      #27
    Green Broke
    As Tiny said.. at the very end.. it is about pressure. Exerting pressure and removing pressure. Exerting pressure is a request to do work (move). Taking off pressure is a reward.

    And that is still being out with the horses with a purpose. You learning what and how much pressure moves them.. and how to remove the pressure (peace) so they react and recognize the reward.

    It is still with purpose.

    What I don't want to see people do is stand around with their horses petting them, giving them treats, and just being there.. as if they are one of the herd. That can get downright dangerous as the horses accept you being there but do not perceive you as something that can make them do something. IOW's you don't want to be part of their pecking order as in the middle. You want to be separate and above it.

    Its not so much about leadership (tho some will call it that). It is more about structure. We are not their "friends."

    So Tiny and I really are saying the same thing.

    FWIW WE pet horses because we like to. Since we own them if we like to pet them then they need to put up with that too. So.. in the right context even petting can be training and structured and purposeful.

    Remember.. it is OUR purpose.
         
        06-27-2013, 02:11 PM
      #28
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    I can see where Elana & Tiny are saying the same thing - but in different ways but both get the idea over really well
    Not much different to we humans really - we like to spend time with our friends and family but not every moment of the day. I really enjoy my 'own' time when I can just relax and do whatever I like without someone breathing down my neck!!!
    Its like treats - I do give my horses rewards for new learning things and sneak the occasional one to them 'just because' but if I was constantly force feeding them they wouldn't appreciate them as much as they do
         
        06-27-2013, 10:24 PM
      #29
    Foal
    So I did it !!! I got back up and rode our mare today. I was a little scared at first but after few minutes, I felt like I did 4 months ago. Everything was going good, and then she kicked up with her back two legs. She does that every once in awhile Normally I would have got scared and got off. Like I did in the past and I know that's why she does it. Instead it made me mad !! So I made her start turning tight circles in both directions. Then I rode her for 20 more minutes with no problem. I don't care what anyone says. ... I'm proud of myself.
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        06-27-2013, 10:41 PM
      #30
    Foal
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    So I did it !!! I got back up and rode our mare today. I was a little scared at first but after few minutes, I felt like I did 4 months ago. Everything was going good, and then she kicked up with her back two legs. She does that every once in awhile Normally I would have got scared and got off. Like I did in the past and I know that's why she does it. Instead it made me mad !! So I made her start turning tight circles in both directions. Then I rode her for 20 more minutes with no problem. I don't care what anyone says. ... I'm proud of myself.
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    Congratulations! Working through fear like that is really challenging, so it is a big step forward that you were able to do that!
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