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        07-21-2014, 09:59 PM
      #11
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by franknbeans    
    Look-you can stop being all defensive, and frankly, somewhat rude. I did make a couple of suggestions as to what you can do for your hour a week. I don;t know what you want me to say. Try standing the horse with their head in a corner, like I suggested, or have someone hold them. Other than that, I am drawing a blank, since other things would actually be training the horse and what you apparently consider a waste of your time. Good luck. I am done.
    I'm sorry you feel that way, but the way you said "put him in the corner" was not very specific. In my mind (thanks to my brother) I read that as sarcasm, like what you would do to a misbehaving five year old. I never said training a horse was a waste of my time. I said that the horse doesn't need to be trained! This is the first time he's done this to me. Other people ride him, with no problems as far as I know. As far as I know, there are no training issues. It's a user problem! I'm asking what do I do for me.
         
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        07-21-2014, 10:02 PM
      #12
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Roanwatch    
    Hmm, maybe when you are mounting you are kicking him in the belly?
    That is a good thought, but when he was walking from me today I got my foot in the stirrup once before he walked away. After that he would start moving when I stepped on the stool. I might have accidentally been kicking him in the past, but I have a bad habit of bringing the stirrup to my foot, because otherwise I can't position it right. I don't think I was kicking him then, but I may be wrong. Thanks! I'll try to think about that in the future. :)
         
        07-21-2014, 10:03 PM
      #13
    Weanling
    Hello, BarrelRacerHeart.

    I realize how a situation like this can seem like it is taking away from time to learn. Instead, try to think of it as an opportunity to learn. The horse is providing you with an opportunity to try various methods to teach it to stand still while you mount. You should also understand that there is no foolproof method to do this. Even if a particular method works with a particular horse one day it may not work as well another day.

    Some people get rough with a horse and try to make it submit. This may work. Even if it does, however, it will not be the best way to start a lesson since the horse will be resistant even if submissive. A resistant horse is tense and cannot be as responsive or as comfortable to ride. I have learned that persistence is normally better than roughness. It may take longer, but the end result will be a more receptive horse.

    Being persistent, however, does not mean that I won't try something else after a number of unsuccessful attempts at one method.

    If a horse tries to walk off when I attempt to mount, I might stop it and back it up to the same position. Alternately, I might walk it in a circle taking it back to the same position. In either case, I am telling the horse that walking off will not achieve anything. I let the horse know that I can be more stubborn than it is without actually setting up a contentious situation which would cause tension.

    I might try tightening the reins to indicate that I don't want the horse to walk off. Alternately, I might let the reins hang slackly so the horse does not feel constrained and claustrophobic.

    I might turn the horse's head away from me so that it cannot see me getting ready to put my foot in the stirrup. Alternately, I might turn the horse's head toward me so that it can see what I am doing and not be startled.

    I have also "tricked" a horse by getting on from the other side.

    Whatever method I use, I am careful not to poke the horse in the side with my toe. I lean as close to the horse as possible so that my center of gravity is as close as possible to the horse's center of gravity. I push off with my grounded foot so that I am not pulling myself up. I mount swiftly so as not to prolong the process. I swing my leg over the back of the horse trying not to hit it in while doing so. I lower my body into the saddle as softly as possible. I then sit quietly for a moment so the horse will not think I am telling it to move off. Then, I put my second foot into the stirrup, adjust the reins, and ask the horse to walk.

    I try to make the act of being ridden as pleasant for the horse as possible so the horse will learn to trust me as a rider. Horses learn who they don't want on their back and who is not so bad. They also learn if a rider will give them a treat if they stand still until the person is mounted if you don't mind using that technique which need not be done every time thereafter.
         
        07-21-2014, 10:05 PM
      #14
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ecasey    
    If you come to this thread and scroll to the bottom, you'll see some similar threads covering this exact topic with solutions. Maybe you can start there for some ideas!

    I had the same problem with my girl. I have treats in my pocket now. When I'm successfully mounted, she gets a treat. Now she stands as still as a statue for me and then wants patiently for her treat. If I forget the treats, she gets a pet on the neck and that's good too. Good luck!
    That's a good idea - thanks! I'll try that with him. I read the other posts, but I don't think it's a training issue, which is what the other posts are about.
         
        07-21-2014, 10:09 PM
      #15
    Weanling
    Thanks TXhorseman! Your detailed answers are really helpful. :) I think one of my problems was that when the horse walked away, I just grabbed the stool and went with him. When I got him to stop, then I placed the stool and tried to mount. I didn't make him go back to the same spot.


    Oh, and I'm sorry if I came off as being rude in my previous posts. I did not intend it that way.
         
        07-21-2014, 10:31 PM
      #16
    Weanling
    Another thing you can do that is ALWAYS beneficial for any horse is to not walk off as soon as you're mounted. If he tries, stop him and make him stand. Sit calmly on his back until you're ready to move, then ask him to move. If he moves before then, back him to where he started. It's just a way of reinforcing that rider on doesn't mean step out immediately. Horses often anticipate your command.
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        07-21-2014, 10:37 PM
      #17
    Weanling
    Usually I'm not walking off immediately, because I adjust my stirrups, collect my reins, etc. I never thought about backing him up to where we were. I've noticed him anticipating before - after a few times he'll break into the canter at a specific corner, even if I didn't ask him for it at that time. Thanks!
         
        07-21-2014, 10:46 PM
      #18
    Trained
    I literally meant stand him in a corner. Head in the corner. You do not have the experience (nor the desire, apparently, since you are determined this horse does not need training) to "fix" the issue.

    I would suggest to you that this horse is a well trained school horse. He knows exactly who knows what and if you are not training him-he sure is training you.
         
        07-21-2014, 10:56 PM
      #19
    Super Moderator
    I agree that being overly forceful is not a great idea, especially for a beginner, who cannot always know how to be firm without being "mad". And, I agree to try a new tactic if the first one fails. This experience, while frustrating, is going to expand you abilities as you work to find a solution. And although it isn't really safe, it isnt like the horse is going all bronco on you the instant you hit the saddle.


    First of all, don't keep trying to bring the stool to the horse. That allows the horse a "rest" and starts the whole process from ground zero all over again.
    Always bring the horse to the stool. Always., even if it means repositioning THE HORSE again and again.

    If he starts to move reprimand him instantly. Don't wait until he has already moved off and you are in the process of chasing him. Give him a sharp "Ah! Ah!" the instant you see him start to even think about moving. You'll see him shift his weight and start to lift a foot. NoW!
    If he still moves , give a little snap to the reins . He KNOWS he is supposed to stand there. He is taking you for a ride. You let him know that you will have none of it, and be quick and firm, and when he gives up that thought, don't stand around petting him , just a short , calm , good boy, and get on.
         
        07-21-2014, 10:59 PM
      #20
    Weanling
    Franknbeans - I know that now. Saying "put him in the corner" isn't very specific. I did not know what you meant. Saying "put his head in the corner" would have been more helpful and specific. Reading words on a computer screen does not show sarcasm or the tone of voice meant to go along with said quote. You know what you meant to say, but I didn't. I don't appreciate you making assumptions about me. I have the desire to do anything related to horses. I spend as much time as possible at the barn helping my trainer muck stalls, wash horses... anything. The horse is known for being a butt. He was taking advantage of me. I've known that he'd do things like this since I rode him the first time.
         

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