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post #1 of 208 Old 04-01-2014, 03:13 PM Thread Starter
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how many years before no longer green?

just an opinion question


How many years do you need in the saddle before people stop trying to apply the "green + green" insult?
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most people have a different definition of green. For me, I drop the term when the horse responds well to basic cues and neck reins, and doesn't spook at most things.
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Depends on the horse, the rider, the coach and the trainer.

I know people who have been riding for the same length of time as me (sometimes longer) who I would not even let lead a green horse while I feel quite comfortable doing first rides on most horses.

With the horses I have one who after 6 mos u/s was able to have a green rider. Others it might be not until they are 10, 15, or even 20+ that they can handle a green rider.
Sometimes the trainer or coach can go so slow with the horse or rider, that it takes 10 years. Sometimes, it's 6 mos.

So an extreme combination of factors.
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Are you asking in relation to green riders or green horses or both?
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just an opinion question


How many years do you need in the saddle before people stop trying to apply the "green + green" insult?
If you are talking purely in relation to the rider - there are people who I know claim to have ridden all their lives and I would still consider them quite green. No confidence, horse sense, or balance when handling or riding (though in their minds they are the best rider around). Other people seem to have a natural knack and can handle dicier situations fairly early in their career. No answer fits all.

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Green on green is NOT an insult, it is often an accident waiting to happen, so see it as more of a warning.

When green transitions to something else cannot possibly be measured by time, but only by competence level, and horses and riders achieve those in their own time. The competence of the trainer will also alter the result.
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lets make it fun and make 3 categories

1. Rider
2. Horse
3. Rider/horse combo
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Green on green is NOT an insult, it is often an accident waiting to happen, so see it as more of a warning.

When green transitions to something else cannot possibly be measured by time, but only by competence level, and horses and riders achieve those in their own time. The competence of the trainer will also alter the result.
it is often used an insult
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No, it's a way for more experienced people to say "I believe you are in over your head and are about to be hurt". If you think that others caring about your safety and your horse's sanity is insulting, well......

Regardless of whether you are talking about a person/horse, they lose the "green" label when they are capable of doing the task at hand correctly, comfortably, and with confidence. Also, a person can be seasoned in some aspects but be green in others. Take me for example, I am a seasoned rider/trainer, but I could be considered "green" at basically everything that isn't ranch work or general western riding.

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it is often used an insult

OR...maybe it is perceived as an insult when none is intended

Look I am in my 50's, I have ridden on and off for 40 + years, and I am a green rider.....my early training was rubbish, left me with a good seat but lacking in equitation skills. I have also changed disciplines, had a major accident (guess why? Yeah had a green horse I had no business trying to ride) and am starting all over again.

Green is a fact, not an insult
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