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post #11 of 25 Old 07-09-2013, 04:13 AM Thread Starter
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The trainer and I haven't talked about treating; it was a vet who told me not to treat. :)

Originally Posted by Joe4d View Post
i look at it like this, some do it a little some a lot, some only when they are clearly in charge. on and on. In your case its simeple
You are PAYING this trainer to teach you, you seem happy with their level of competance, ok not ok doesnt matter. Neither is abusive or harmful, so follow the methods you are paying to learn. Its that trainers call.
I dont even give my horses feed until they learn respect, far as they know they are getting my left overs, I put feed in the bowl and stand over it with my back to them and will run them off if they get close to me. Then I calmly walk away. That is my method for quickly letting them know I am the boss in this field. Not saying its perfect or the best but it is mine and I like the results I get, think how that would work if soemone was behind me feeding thehorse treets out of hand.

So many people have probelems with horses because they treat them like a dog. A horse is not a dog. Its brain doesnt work like ours or the dogs. A mom and dad dog go kill something, bring it back for the puppies to eat. Give a dog a treat he thinks you are the coolest guy in the world and he'll do anything for you.
Give a horse food, and he thinks you are a punk and he just took your food. Until you have clear boundries not a good thing to hand treat a horse. And most likely your trainer feels the same way, but either way thats the pro you hired , should just go along with them.
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post #12 of 25 Old 07-09-2013, 04:14 AM Thread Starter
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Originally Posted by Anatopism View Post
Joe, I think the vet said not to feed treats, not the trainer, though this does bring up a point...

Op- you are paying a trainer to help you, what is their stance on treats specifically with you and your horse? :)
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I haven't had a chance to ask her...I could have tonight but I forgot!
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post #13 of 25 Old 07-09-2013, 04:33 AM
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It really depends on the horse & the person. I feed my horses treats by hand, my coach doesn't condone this so no treats by hand when she is around. There was awhile there when my horse was a juvenile & being pushy & expecting treats, he got none until he was polite once again. His treatless dry spell lasted 2 years, he changed back to Mr. Polite again. Sure makes it handy giving him meds or worming him, goofball thinks anything I give him by hand is a yummy goodie.
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post #14 of 25 Old 07-09-2013, 09:22 AM
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None of my horses every got pushy or whatever when I give them treats often. Now I don't usually give them very many treats, but when I do I usually give it to them if they have been really good, after I get on them and they were good about holding still and not nipping at me. I always feed them from my hands. Their mouths are prehensile, so they know what is your hand and what is your treat.

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post #15 of 25 Old 07-11-2013, 08:01 AM
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I give treats just because, but usually after a ride, if my horses were good. Not all horses get pushy about treats, mine love 'em, but they never do anything bad to achieve them. When I don't give them they give me a disappointed look but that's it. If a horse starts to show signs of aggression then it's good to give the treats in the food bowl or not give them at all.
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post #16 of 25 Old 01-01-2014, 01:24 PM
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Most horses can easily be trained to be polite about treats, standing quietly waiting, no pushing, poking nipping or nudging. Mine are all perfect gentlemen about because I have made it clear what I expect. Treats don't cause biting or bad behavior, people do when they don't train their horse properly.
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post #17 of 25 Old 01-01-2014, 01:27 PM
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I am not saying that you should cancel treats out entirely, hehe!!

And you can feed your horse as many treats as you want - just be aware it can affect your horse riding.

Like you can continue to give your horse a treat after a good ride. I do too, but usually when we go on a long trail ride because we only do trails about twice a year.
But we never give our horses treats after any ride usually because then they will want to be done faster so they can have their treat.
Of course you can give your horse treats for breakfast and dinner if you wanted to - we all have our own ways of doing things!! hhaha!!
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post #18 of 25 Old 01-01-2014, 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by gigem88 View Post
I've never had my horses get pushy because I feed them treats. They know their boundaries with an occasional thump on the nose as a reminder now and then.
This. ^^

FWIW, I disagree what was mentioned earlier in this thread from someone who mentioned treating out on the trails - there are way too many stories about horses who have got their headgear tangled in stirrups (and panicking and getting both them and their rider hurt) for me to EVER consider this.

I used to think it was cute when some of the horses would bend around and sniff my boot or give me cute looks, but after reading some of the stories about the possible outcomes of such I now strongly discourage it.

I treat AFTER I get my horse from the paddock, at the beginning of tacking (not after I start, that's when I consider it a transition to "work" time vs "pleasure" time), and then not again until after the ride is complete when I treat generously (for a good ride) before turnout.

Why did the vet have such a negative reaction? He's probably seen a lot of miscreant horses over the years who people are treating despite terrible behaviour and he's become hardened to the situation. It's no different than the parent in a grocery store who stuffs candy in their kids face despite the fact the kid is yelling, screaming, kicking, and having a full blown meltdown - other parents would likely feel that the treats are undeserved....as they are.

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post #19 of 25 Old 01-01-2014, 02:34 PM
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"Treats create monsters in horses" can be put with "guns kill people". Both can sit for years and do nothing. Add the human factor in and that's where the problem starts.

I feed treats by hand. Sometimes the horses will try to crowd to get more and even get pushy amongst themselves. If I wasn't to correct them, they would become monsters. I've always made the horse look away before getting a treat. With their head turned away, I bring my hand to them for the treat.
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post #20 of 25 Old 01-01-2014, 02:54 PM
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When I give my horses a treat - they never have a bit in and most of the time I am standing on the ground with them.

And usandpets i agree.
It's the humans that do it. oh, and also spoons is what make people fat. I guess I better send a letter to oboma asking to ban spoons now.
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