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post #31 of 53 Old 10-23-2013, 01:14 PM Thread Starter
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I was just sitting here thinking about this....let me run something past you.

In two-point on this horse I am still struggling with falling back into that saddle. Might be strength or position, or might just be fear keeping me from getting up all the way. We did shorten the stirrups pretty quickly, as I realized that when I went into two point my knees were pressing against the pads and I was coming up from there. We fixed that by raising the stirrups a notch, but I still haven't had the feel of it like I did on the pony and haven't had good success with it like I did before.

So, am thinking, I tried to post this guy's trot, but with little success. I wonder if I am having the same issue of falling back during posting, and that would cause me to have an even bigger bounce, yes? Bigger than if I were gently lowering. So I'm wondering if figuring what's going on in two point would help. Just thinking that if I'm falling back into the saddle as he is coming up, I might be getting an een bigger bounce than normal. Feel free to tell me my thinking is convoluted though -- it might be.

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Just found out that he threw a shoe and so and I'll be on a different horse on a lunge line. You know, I have to say I am relieved!
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Good luck with your lesson, let us know how it goes!

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My recommendation is that you ask the instructor if you could have some alone time. It is easier to relax without an audience. This exercise on the horse will help you with realignment and should get you laughing. While the horse is standing, stand up in the stirrups. Your bum will be sticking out and your shoulders forward. You need to pull your hips forward and your shoulders back until your are up nice and straight with your face looking forward and not down. Usually the laughter has set in by now. Now, I want you to sit down but you want to sit on the pommel by folding your hips, ankles and knees while your upper body remains straight. I can promise you won't sit on the pommel but it will place you in the deepest part of the saddle. You do need that visualization. Do this until you can relax doing it. When you can do with easily, try it at the walk. The laughing will make it difficult but the idea is to teach you to relax yet maintain alignment. If you do this, each time you sit your heels will be under your hips and your upper body will be nice and straight. The reason you plop in the saddle is you are allowing your legs to move back and forth.
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Get some video tape. We can see a lot more and give more exact feedback that way.

Good luck! SING!
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Haha this sounds like me!! Just keep working at it, there is really nothing ells to say it just takes practice!
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I am getting back into riding after a ten year hiatus and certainly can understand your frustration. I picked up a book the last time I was in a used book store that has helped me tremendously...more than anything I have learned in lessons. "Centered Riding". I am a very visual person and found that reading about the trot along with her hints for proper leg placement and "feel" that you should be having in the stirrups and opening up your hips have been invaluable to me. Also, a hint my best friend at the barn gave me...BREATHE. When I first went out on group trail rides that included more trotting than I would have liked she looked over at me and told me to quit holding my breathe..which I did not realize I was doing but will totally stiffen you up quicker than anything. Don't give up. Soldier through.
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post #38 of 53 Old 10-24-2013, 09:15 AM Thread Starter
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This is the big scary lesson horse.

I'm sure you can see how utterly terrifying he is.
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Lol, your post made me giggle. You have allot of advice here and I don't have really have anything to add. I will say (what others say), it takes Time and eventually you will get it. Have fun and good luck . I ride western and I tried riding English once for fun and I couldn't do it. So, if you feel you can't get into the English then maybe try Western. I can't post because of a knee problem so I had to learn how to sit the trot. Sit up straight, then rock your hips back a bit so you are sitting on your pockets. That's really helped me sit the trot. Once you get the feel of the horse in time its really easy to sit. Move your hips with the horse, some say back and forth others say side to side. I believe it depends on the horse, so find what works best for you right now. So, again Have Fun, singing does help.

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...So, am thinking, I tried to post this guy's trot, but with little success. I wonder if I am having the same issue of falling back during posting, and that would cause me to have an even bigger bounce, yes? Bigger than if I were gently lowering. So I'm wondering if figuring what's going on in two point would help. Just thinking that if I'm falling back into the saddle as he is coming up, I might be getting an een bigger bounce than normal...
I'm not sure how modern hunt seat is done. For a forward seat, in theory, your weight should be balanced above the stirrups. The rule I've read and that makes sense to me is that if you are leaning forward the right amount, you can go from sitting to standing balanced in the stirrups by simply uncoiling your body.

If you cannot, then you are behind the horse's balance - which is good for some things, but it isn't a forward balance and it turns posting into a forward / back motion instead of simply uncoiling. In a dressage seat, your heels would already be under your hip and shoulders, so you wouldn't need to lean forward. But a forward seat, by definition, means your balance is forward to match the horse's center of gravity. That is why I think being able to ride balanced while standing in the stirrups is an important part of being able to post correctly in a forward seat.

Being constantly forward tends to be tiring on you, so most will ride flat ground with their weight behind the vertical line of the stirrups. In a lot of the pictures I've seen of folks riding a modern hunt seat, they are either behind, or they have brought their heels back.

The dressage position is properly balanced in synch with the horse for a collected gait, so a lot also depends on how collected your horse is. In an extended trot with lots of forward motion and little vertical motion by the horse, you need to lean forward more. The more the horse collects (moves his balance to the rear), then the more your heels and shoulders need to move back. Ideally, all riders will constantly adjust their balance to either follow the horse's shifts, or to ask the horse to shift his balance - a fluid balance with a fluid seat.

If you grip with your knees, everything I wrote is no longer true. I think people tend to grip with their knees because they are NOT in balance with their horse and able to switch to 2-point by simply uncoiling the body.

Since I use a western approach to the reins, I need to be able to ride in 2 point with one hand at my side and one hand on slack reins. That also helps prevent me from using the reins for balance, which is one of the few universal sins of riding. BTW - I'm not an instructor or anything. I do read a lot, and what I've written matches up with my own experience in riding.
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