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        07-02-2013, 11:17 PM
      #11
    Super Moderator
    What I don't understand is that a while back someone had a thread about an accidental breeding, where the mare got bred by the teaser stallion, and members were in an uproar, and part of that being that the two were allowed to "do the deed" before being cleaned. The concern was for disease that can be passed from one into the other. But, isn't that as much of an issue here?
         
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        07-02-2013, 11:20 PM
      #12
    Trained
    Same concerns Tiny, however I don't think this gelding left any seminal fluid behind, but bacteria was introduced into the mare's vulva.
         
        07-03-2013, 03:03 AM
      #13
    Yearling
    After I had my breeding stallion gelded and waited the required time for all the sperm to die I turned him out with a couple of mares. One was his dam and he never showed any interest in breeding her even when he was still a stallion but even thought they were apart for 8 years he still knows she's his mama and she's the only one that gets by with bossing him even though she's not a boss mare. The other mare, who he had bred before being gelded, he did try to breed a few times. Eventually he figured out that it wasn't bringing him any satisfaction and he quit.

    The thing is, even when he was still a stallion he had manners. He wasn't allowed to get by with allowing his hormones to overrule his brain. You're new gelding doesn't sound like he was taught those lessons. You're best off trying to get the previous owner to take him back or rehoming him with someone who can handle his disrespect. Even if you could eventually ride with you're daughter when her mare wasn't in heat you'd be stuck only riding on you're own property because what would happen if you rode by another farm who had a mare in heat that came running up to the fence or if you're out trail riding and come across a mare?

    One other thing if you do get rid of him and go shopping again. I've never had a problem with mixing geldings and mares in the same pasture. I've never had a gelding that was gelded early in life (before they know what being a stallion is all about) suddenly think he was a stallion when he's around a mare in heat, so you don't have to completely rule out getting a gelding.
         
        07-03-2013, 04:08 AM
      #14
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by tinyliny    
    What I don't understand is that a while back someone had a thread about an accidental breeding, where the mare got bred by the teaser stallion, and members were in an uproar, and part of that being that the two were allowed to "do the deed" before being cleaned. The concern was for disease that can be passed from one into the other. But, isn't that as much of an issue here?
    I was thinking the same thing
         
        07-03-2013, 07:47 AM
      #15
    Super Moderator
    OP, what you're describing really isn't that uncommon. I have four geldings and I have seen one of them get really stupid when the neighbor's mare came in heat.

    Fortunately they were renting, moved and we bought the land so nobody else could bring horses onto the property or park dead cars with the hoods and trunks up<---not kidding on that

    I don't know a thing about marbeling mares but it might be something for you to consider since it was your mare that broke thru the door and started all this.

    This is a university article. If you Google "marbeling mares", I know you will get more credible hits. Hopefully someone on the forum has experience with this "tactic" and will post

    http://csu-cvmbs.colostate.edu/Docum...rbles-2009.pdf
         
        07-03-2013, 08:33 AM
      #16
    Yearling
    Make sure your gelding is, in fact a gelding, and not a rig.
    A rig is a horse who has not been gelded properly, and still has one testicle. They can't get a mare in foal, but they exibit stallion like behavior, and are actually often more dangerous than stallions.
         
        07-03-2013, 12:24 PM
      #17
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by tinyliny    
    What I don't understand is that a while back someone had a thread about an accidental breeding, where the mare got bred by the teaser stallion, and members were in an uproar, and part of that being that the two were allowed to "do the deed" before being cleaned. The concern was for disease that can be passed from one into the other. But, isn't that as much of an issue here?
    That is always a concern, but when your mare breaks through a fence to get to the gelding and do the deed before you can get to them, I don't think that is the focus of the topic. That is a different subject. The topic is the new geldings behavior. :)
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        07-03-2013, 01:39 PM
      #18
    Foal
    We're I work. We have our mares and geldings seperated. We have a gelding that every time we bring him in or out if he goes by one of the mares he acts studly we lead him with a chain and carry a dressage whip every time he take him in and out. If he acts studly he gets popped with the dressage whip and a quick yank on the lead that has a chain on it. As soon as he sees us with the whip and chain he kinda is getting smart about not doing it but every once in a while he forgets and we have to remind him.
         
        07-03-2013, 01:41 PM
      #19
    Yearling
    Watch the mare for signs of infection. OP you said he was 16 and had just been gelded three years ago my advice is to sell him. You may never get the old owners to answer. They knew the problems IMO that were possible but unless you want to go through the hassle he needs a home that can handle his behavior. More than likley being left a stud13 years you aren't going to see any changes if it has been three since the surgery. Have him checked if you like. We had three stallions. No issues. They all have/had excellent ground manners whether in the pasture, in hand or under saddle. It is part of their training. We gelded one and kept him out of the pasture for 6 weeks. It should have been longer but we had an emergency and needed the pen he was in. He still has excellent manners and through two heat cycles though he has acted a s a stallion (herding the group he is with) he has not offered to mount. He was gelded late and had been used as a stud prior. It sounds like this horse was allowed to breed indiscriminately and without proper handling. Tell your trainer what happened and have him/her evaluate the horse and ask for an honest opinion. Even if he said it was a workable situation realize the trainer won't always be around and you don't need to be tied to a horse that you have to consider every little detail before you ride and if there is a chance something (like a mare in heat) will show up unknowingly you may need to go back to the barn.
         
        07-03-2013, 01:44 PM
      #20
    Trained
    I had a horse that was gelded at three. He had never bred a mare. Two months after he was gelded I let him in with some mares. One was in heat and he mounted and bred her. (Fortunately he was shooting blanks.) Apparently he didn't get much of a thrill out of it because he quit trying. He was pastured with mares for years with no problem after that.
         

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