I would run from both of these if I was you.
The first one:
First of all it is not a dun to my knowledge and I'm not sure how a horse can be a dun/ bay. Whilst this is not necessarily a problem with the horse, I question their understanding of horses slightly (but that is just me).
Mainly they don't mention it is beginner safe. A VERY important statement to look for when you're are a beginner, yes this does not necessarily mean it is true, but you have a much higher likelihood.
finally they describe this horse very much like a pet, 'he is a big pet' that would send up flags to me that he is a bit spoilt and hasn't learnt boundaries (again an assumption)
The second one:
It is 4 years old which is in my opinion not appropriate for a beginner. Yes the ae the extremely rare cases of naturally dead broke acting 4 year olds tht is incredibly rare.
Also you say you can only ride English yet he is wearing a western sadle so you would have to train him in english which is not great for a beginner.
I suggest you enlist the help of an expert if possible to help your search.
I would be looking for a 9+year old that's main selling point is good beginner horse. Then specifically good on trails, out alone, not spooky, good to trailer, groom and for the farier and one with no health issues. With your price range I would suggest an older horse, tht you could promise a forever home to (very appealing to sellers) as you say you enjoy the other intimate parts of horse ownership, this also increases the chances they might be more beginner friendly (though not always!)
Last edited by Flipper; 08-02-2013 at 02:55 PM.
Reason: Didn't make sense