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        06-07-2013, 06:21 PM
    Question Pretty new gelding! Need some advice...

    So I purchased a green gelding in November. I didn't really know how much work he needed! I worked on ground work with him and I can ride him pretty fine, but here is the issue.. After my fiancee started riding him (he cowboy'd him a little) he really doesn't have much respect for me. I got on him a couple weeks ago and I think he would have bucked had we not been in between a trailer and our car. He did crow hop. I got off of him and my fiancee jumped on him and did everything he possibly could to try to get him to buck to no avail. The other day I went out to catch him and he didn't want me to. After about 10 minutes of making him work in the pasture he finally stood still enough for me to catch him. That very same day that I had problems catching him, he kept giving me he butt in the round pen! (which by the was has never happened.) He usually knows his limits with me, but now my fiance has been riding him he really doesn't listen as well as he did before. He is being moved to 23 acres here shortly and I don't want to have to hobble him if he won't let me catch him. Does anyone have any suggestions? (and it is out of the question to get rid of him!)
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        06-07-2013, 06:48 PM
    I'm going to be a touch harsh here......

    Why on earth would your fiancee 'do everything he could try' to get a horse to buck when the horse is obviously having issues with his training already?

    Go back to ground work, forget riding for now. Fix the respect holes your horse has in his training before re-starting him under saddle.

    And for goodness sakes, keep your fiancee away from your horse. It is just confusing the poor horse and no good will come of having him 'cowboyed'.
        06-07-2013, 06:55 PM
    That is not harsh. Me and Chase (My Gelding) were fine together. We were learning together until my fiancee cowboy'd him for the first time. My fiancee is really heavy handed in the mouth with him and I just switched him out of a d ring snaffle to a short shank snaffle. When I ride him I am gentle. I have been working on neck reining him and he does fine, but when my fiancee gets on him he gets shaky and always wants to go. He rides broncs in the rodeo so he can be a little heavy handed. I wanted to do his training mostly on my own, but after that first time he tried to buck it scared me a little. He is racing bred so it is his instinct to just go.
        06-07-2013, 07:19 PM
    Sit your fiancee down, and tell him he can either learn to ride your horse right or not ride him at all. Riding broncs in the rodeo is no excuse for being a bad horseman. I don't want to sound mean, but it's no use fixing the horse if he's just going to undo everything afterwards.
        06-07-2013, 07:22 PM
    Your fiance is well on his way to ruining a possibly good horse. He doesn't belong near your horse or ANY horse!

    If possible, for a while,keep your horse in a smaller area where you can easily call and catch him. Don't ride him or let anyone else ride him at the moment. Start again with his training from scratch. GROUND training only. Look at some of Clinton Anderson's training from scratch methods and follow them. Don't be in a hurry to ride the horse. I think many want to ride before a horse really knows the basics.

    If you can afford it, place him in the hands of a 'good' trainer to start again. Ask around for good trainers in your area.

        06-07-2013, 07:30 PM
    I have done part of the clinton anderson ground work, like I said before I really never had such an issue until he found out that my fiancee was more confident than me. I have had a hard time finding my seat in a canter. My horse senses that and slows down, so I know me and him have an understanding, but I am worried since he was harsher on him than I was that he doesn't respect me. He yields his hind quarters and lunges freely, turning with a point and click.
        06-07-2013, 07:43 PM
    You don't need to be harsh to gain a horse's respect. Those two have nothing to do with each other, just like being rough isn't the same as having confidence.
    Keeping him in a small pen is a good idea, but I honestly think that keeping your fiancee from riding him will help, if he's harsh when riding him. Sometimes horses don't want to be caught because they know what's going to happen once they are.
    It's great that you two are in tune with each other. Like featheredfeet said, it might be best to not ride him yet. Work on the ground with him, and just spend time with him- let him realize that being caught and being around people doesn't necessarily mean that he's going to be roughed up.
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        06-07-2013, 07:56 PM
    Thanks everyone for the advice! I do agree he did a much better job with me being gentle. I have never handled him really rough. (Although last time I went out there when he wouldn't let me catch him I did work him on the ground pretty good, but that didn't really help.) He kept giving me his butt, which he never used to do! And with his genetics his line has no buck, but he crow hopped with me and probably would have bucked (he had his head tucked all the way under) had it not been for the trailer and our car. That almost destroyed my confidence. I got back on him the same day and he did just fine. I have noticed now though when I do work him he gets shaky. His legs are shaky like he thinks he always has to be doing something. Any suggestions on ground exercises to help me and him both to trust and respect each other. I want him to know I am not there to hurt him, but he will not disrespect me. I had never given him a reason to disrespect me until my fiancee rode him. And also now when he gets warmed up he just wants to go! I just make him walk usually and occasionally a trot, but never a canter.
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        06-07-2013, 08:30 PM
    Looks like you're going to get your first experience with retraining a cowboyed horse.

    My ex husband was exactly like your fiancÚ. I ende up divorcing him for many reasons. One of them being his roughness with my animals. It transfers to humans eventually, you know.

    From now on, fiancÚ doesn't handle your horse at all. You now have to restart him from the ground up. Retrain him in everything. Leading, lunging, saddling, mounting, etc. he's a nervous wreck now and your dear fiancÚ made him that way.

    If he turns his butt to you, crack him on it with a whip. He will understand that every time he threatens to kick, he'll get nailed. Then go about business as though it never happened.

    Good luck on restarting him. If a crow hop scares you, take him to a trainer next time, not a bronc rider.

    With the amount of knowledge you seem to possess and your timidness towards a crow hop, I'd suggest a trainer anyways.
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        06-08-2013, 02:37 PM
    Agreed with Copperhead! Your fiancÚ really shouldn't handle your horse. Tell him he can if he retrains himself to be gentler and listen to what the horse is saying. You will have to start over from the basics, your horse is scared of humans now and lost respect. Good luck!

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