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        07-01-2014, 09:57 PM
    Teaching a beginner, bad situation

    Okay so im a go to gal for younger kids who need advice with horses, im not the greatest, but better then nothing(and free). Anyway I have a girl that needs help with her horse, she is coming by in the morning so I can help her with a few tips. She says her horse 'doesn't turn' and is very barn sour and she can't get it to do anything. From what she has told me it isn't a well trained horse(or at least a horse that doesn't respect her) and she is a beginner. She has a hillside area and her horse DOESNT LUNGE. One thing she said was I can sit on her in the field and let her eat, but when I try to get her to go or something she gets mad she must not be willing to 'force' her horse to do anything, or she just doesn't know how.

    So what on earth can I teach this girl? I want to inspire her, so heres what I was thinking I would show her what her horse can do if she commits to it, I was going to hop on my best horse, and run around the barrels without a headstall, also back her up and go sideways and all that stuff that might impress a beginner and tell her its a lot of hard work and it is going to take time but she can get there(a LOT of hard work).

    The point to this is I want to teach her how to train a horse to be soft. I want to get on(I would start with ground exercises for softness of course) my 2 year old who has been ridden 2 times and show her how I would do this with an untrained horse(and honestly a very hard horse). I would also show her that she needs to do a lot of arena type work before she will be able to take her horse out on the trails. I want to show her just few basic things that will help her earn her horses respect.

    I know this may not help her but she told me her parents are convinced there is nothing wrong with this horse, she said she wanted to have it trained but they told her she could handle it.

    Anyway please don't nag me, a few simple suggestions would be nice though(nothing major). I was also going to put a girl that helps me on one of my mares and show her how even without a halter that horse will follow me anywhere and the rider just has to sit there and do nothing because the horse trusts and respects me. I not going to let her ride one of the horses, maybe my friends old nag just to show her what I mean by soft and have her demonstrate for me so I can show her the proper way. Im worried that she will get hurt on her horse, I offered to help with the horse but the parents don't want the horse worked with so I told her I would just show her a few things.

    I think teaching her to train the horse to be soft(and respect her) would be the best thing, nothing more I can really do without working with the horse in person. I also don't want to make her so confident that she goes home and gets on and expects to be able to do everything bad situation for everyone involved I think. Just wondering if my suggestion will help or hurt depending on how bad the horse really is, but if she is going to be riding it anyway(with or without my help) I guess it will help her.
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        07-01-2014, 10:13 PM
    Green Broke
    It might be better to take a look at how the girl and her horse "work" together and see if you think it is a horse issue or if the girl just doesn't know how to be assertive.

    I know me, personally, would get kind of discouraged if someone "showed off" what their horse could do and I couldn't get mine to do anything! But that might just be me......I get discouraged easily and I admit that.

    So I guess I would go at it from the perspective from assessing the situation and seeing how the two interact and then seeing if you can teach her how to be more assertive and ask the horse correctly. (Assuming the horse isn't used to getting it's way and won't get someone hurt.)

    It's really hard to give advice over the internet because there are so many variables.
        07-01-2014, 10:36 PM
    I'd give her a copy of Clinton Anderson's lunging for respect. You can't teach a horse to be soft if it is the boss and has no respect!
        07-01-2014, 11:10 PM
    I would evaluate the horse, evaluate the girl and go from there. It does not really matter what your horse does, if she does not know how to gain her horses respect, ride a horse, or if the horse really is that bad and needs training nothing your horse does matters. She is most likely frustrated from lack of knowledge and needs to start with the basics on the ground with the horse.

    Letting her lunge your horse, and ride your horse if she is capable, to get a feel for what it should be like may be more productive. Depending upon the age of the girl and her experience her horse may just be to much horse for her, in which case someone needs to talk to the parents. If the horse just needs manners then spend time teaching her how to gain control of her horses feet.
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        07-01-2014, 11:49 PM
    I'm amazed at the number of parents who are apparently willing to let their kids go off on untrained, disrespectful horses. If she can't 'handle' it, then what happens? She gets hurt, perhaps seriously.

    I think it's great you're going to help this girl, I'm just frankly shocked at how lackadaisical these people seem to be towards the welfare of their own kid.

    I would say though, that riding your own horse awesomely probably won't help, it will, as other posters said, just magnify her own shortcomings. If you can get her on another horse that does know how to work then that's a good start in building her confidence.
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        07-01-2014, 11:55 PM
    Before anything else the most important thing is how the two interact.

    I would make it clear it's hard work. I would also make it clear sometimes it may be unpleasant ("forcing" the mare to do something she doesn't want to) but the end result is a better relationship, a happier horse, a happier rider, and more fun.

    I would go to her and work with her and the horse together. I would NOT have her go to you unless you want to put her on the "old nag" you mentioned to putt around a little.
        07-02-2014, 12:34 AM
    Here is where the situation is sticky, her parents do not want me over there AT ALL, they are all like if she can't handle the horse then maybe she shouldn't ride it, so she is very discouraged, which is why I wanted to show her all the cool things her horse can do with practice. Something gives me a bad impression about these people. I want her to come out here so that I can show her some things to do with her horse, but I don't want her riding mine because I don't want anyone getting mad at me. I was just going to show her how to do a few things to get her started.
        07-02-2014, 12:48 AM
    Without her working with her own horse under the guidance of somebody knowledgeable, there is no way I see this ending well.
        07-02-2014, 12:51 AM
    Originally Posted by EdmontonHorseGal    
    without her working with her own horse under the guidance of somebody knowledgeable, there is no way I see this ending well.
    I know I told her I would come out but she said her parents didn't want anyone to. I know im knowledgeable enough to teach the horse, people are harder
        07-02-2014, 01:06 AM
    Yes teach her how to lounge for respect!!! Its surprising how few people actually know how to. Since learning I do it daily with my extremely disrespectful and spoiled mare. And her personality completely changed. Im a beginner and this has helped me and my horse so much! Sure for the first few days I was incredibly sore but now she's very soft and responsive
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