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        07-24-2013, 11:20 PM
      #11
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by rideverystride    
    I still say you do not have the experience to train this horse. Four years is not a lot, and you say he's only trained at a walk, and apparently no saddle training from my impression. Do not fall in love with this horse, he is too much for you. Even though he is sweet natured. Green riders should not train green horses.
    My trainer would be doing most of the training, hence the trainer. (: I would just stick along for the ride and help when I can and take part in whatever she seems fit.
         
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        07-24-2013, 11:26 PM
      #12
    Showing
    I was given a green horse.. actually more a problem horse (for them) and we're fine. I only fell off the first month that I was with him. But he isn't just a horse.. we really have something going on that allows him to trust me and forgive my faults and yet blowup when most others tried with him.

    Now having worked with him myself, taken some lessons, we were fine. Then when I left country I put him in training and he has been ridden by my amazing friend looking after him. And he's fine. He gave his first ever child-on-board ride last month.

    If it's the right horse, go for it. I wouldn't recommend just any newbie get just any green horse.. but it does help with a trainer nearby.
         
        07-24-2013, 11:28 PM
      #13
    Green Broke
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    Originally Posted by Labelmegold    
    My instructor often switched me between classes so I do not have a set four years in any particular one but rather an understanding and ability to ride most of them.

    The horse I am interested in has been started in training and is capable of being ridden bareback but at nothing more than a walk. The people that own him are friends of friends and the more I visit the more I fall in love with this horse. Their training methods however may work for them but I find them harsh, meaning they don't reward the horse when he does something correct but rather only beat him when he does something wrong. He is a very sweat and gentle horse but just needs to be trained better, he already lifts his feet very well to be cleaned and will stand still to be groomed.
    Think with you head, not with your heart. Honestly, their methods are about spot on. Correct a horse when*its doing something wrong and leave it alone when its behaving. I rarely ever praise my horses, their reward is me leaving them alone. Pressure and release. I also doubt there are any horses who will do things for a "good job horsey!", they are more likely to behave when there is a consequence to their behavior. Obviously I'm not there to see what's going on and what you think is "beating" a horse, so I won't make comment on how they correct him.

    It sounds like he is good natured because they have set boundaries with him. He probably isn't saddle broke. Honestly I wouldn't even call him green. To me green in a horse who can walk, trot, turn, and stop. They need more miles. Sounds like you will need to start from the very, very beginning.
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        07-24-2013, 11:32 PM
      #14
    Showing
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    Originally Posted by SlideStop    
    Think with you head, not with your heart. Honestly, their methods are about spot on. Correct a horse when*its doing something wrong and leave it alone when its behaving. I rarely ever praise my horses, their reward is me leaving them alone. Pressure and release. I also doubt there are any horses who will do things for a "good job horsey!", they are more likely to behave when there is a consequence to their behavior. Obviously I'm not there to see what's going on and what you think is "beating" a horse, so I won't make comment on how they correct him.

    It sounds like he is good natured because they have set boundaries with him. He probably isn't saddle broke. Honestly I wouldn't even call him green. To me green in a horse who can walk, trot, turn, and stop. They need more miles. Sounds like you will need to start from the very, very beginning.
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    Yeah I feel this may be a bit much for you OP... there are plenty of lovely broke horses out there looking for love and to learn more.
         
        07-24-2013, 11:41 PM
      #15
    Foal
    Thank you all for your advice. (:
         
        07-25-2013, 12:43 AM
      #16
    Showing
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    Originally Posted by smrobs    
    First off, howdy and welcome to the forum .

    Second, this may sound very blunt, but the answer is simple. If you are a new rider, don't buy a green horse, period. You need a horse that knows the ropes so that they can help you to learn. If both the horse and rider are learning at the same time, it almost always ends in frustration unless there is a trainer present every time you handle the horse.

    With a green horse, every little thing you do matters and it doesn't take but just one or two mistakes before you're in a whole heap of trouble; unmanageable horse, one or both of you hurt, make you scared of riding or handling horses, etc.
    Great answer.

    Green horses are an entire different ball game, and so many things you need to have good foundation on. I've raised all my babies myself, but I did the first few with the help of a trainer and I learned more and more to the point where after being around horses for 18 years I now work with my own.
         
        07-25-2013, 12:52 AM
      #17
    Weanling
    At this point I would say that you are going to need to get a trainer to put some training into him and that is going to cost money. That horse has IMO not even been started!! And the money will Probably be more than the horse will be worth after all is said and done, and even then this horse may be too much for you. Honestly, getting hurt and getting your confidence crushed is not worth it! Believe me, finding a horse that suits your level of knowledge and training is what you need to be doing. One that you can ride and feel safe on, one that will teach you what you need to learn. Right now the horse needs to be teaching you, and with this horse that won't happen and you won't be able to teach the horse what it needs to learn. And you will fall in love with another horse that is the right one for you! Getting a horse is exciting but don't let your emotions cloud your judgement. I can see you getting way over your head and with that people get hurt, not a little hurt, but a lot hurt.
         
        07-25-2013, 01:52 AM
      #18
    Foal
    The fact that you had to ask this question means you are not ready to own a green horse. As someone else beautifully put, it is like asking how to be a nurse, cop, doctor.

    What if I were to say, "How do I be a nurse? I know I am not really one, but there is someone available to answer a couple of my questions tomorrow, so I am going to the hospital to practice on patients.".

    Now, you are likely thinking, how silly, it is a horse, I am not playing with people's lives! Well guess what....you are playing with your life. Horses can badly injure or kill you. Ask any horse person, by and large, the greener the horse, the more dangerous they are. That is why very experienced horse people still often send their greenies for their first few rides with an expert, and even after that, those horses are much less predictable than a well broke horse for those next few years

    My mare was 4 when I got her, and I have many years with horses under my belt. She was well started. She *launched* me about ten feet in the air during an incredible bucking spree that first year, and I got injured. We perservered, now she is 12 and my best girl, glad I got her. But getting a young horse is always more dangerous than a well finished horse.

    Please be fair to yourself and the horse and do not make the green on green mistake. You already know it is not wise.
         
        07-25-2013, 04:41 AM
      #19
    Green Broke
    I'd been riding 20 years before getting my first unbroken horse, and that is exactly what the horse you are describing is, it is unbroken. I've had an absolute rollercoaster time with him. I've schooled many horses including young, green and problem horses to a decent level but my first totaly unbroken one turned out to be a nightmare

    Everytime you handle that horse you will be teaching it something. Even if you are just putting a head collar on and grooming it. You don't need to be schooling or riding a horse to completely ruin it!

    Don't buy this horse, you are not ready. If you think you want in the future to deal with greenies then find yourself a trainer who will let you help her brake in horses under strict supervision. Help train lots and lots of horses under supervision (as in don't do ANYTHING unless the instructor is there) and only then would you be ready to take on one unsupervised.
         
        07-25-2013, 06:00 AM
      #20
    Green Broke
    You said that you will have a trainer. That is who you need to ask your questions to. They will know how much the horse is trained and what the horse already knows. There's no point in us telling you to do x, y, and z, if the horse doesn't understand it yet. You will get frustrated and so will your horse. The trainer can give you things that you can do with your horse. You'll need to be there some of the time to get taught what to do, especially when the horse won't do what you want.

    In the mean time, watch videos, read magazines and books, and check out different trainers like Clinton Anderson, Craig Cameron, and others. This will help you get ideas on what to do and how to do them.
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