The C word has now been said

I have.
I have been both shot and been the victim of a brutal assault. You? If I had been armed at the time, it would have been the last act of victimization either of those two would ever have done.


Some silly politician posting the names and addresses of everyone who had one. It happened. Not sure what your point is here. Should they warn people, in your opinion?

This is becoming comical. Some of you definitely need to learn how to read.

I have answered that question about 10 times now...

**sigh**...no, I am not saying there is no relationship between high gun ownership and high gun crime. Any idiot knows if there are no guns there would be no gun crimes. I am saying THERE IS NO RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN GUNS AND THE CRIME RATE.

Your lovely country has a very low gun ownership, yet has a very high crime rate. Our lovely country has a very high gun ownership, and has a very high crime rate. Therefore in that simple comparison, there are two countries with a high crime rate - one with high gun ownership and one with low...thus there is no relationship between gun ownership and the crime rate.

If you can't follow that, then I just give up...there is no reason to continue speaking English to someone who doesn't understand English.

How about this...I'll try to keep it simple...

The UK has lots of crooks without guns.

The US has lots of crooks with guns.

Both countries have lots of crooks.

Guns obviously don't seem to matter in how many crooks there are.

Swiss households are required to be armed with a military rifle. Their crime stats don't reflect that it increases their crime. There are many reasons for a high crime rate, and access to weapons isn't, necessarily, the reason.

I asked a direct question , not talking about crime rates. I did not mention crime rate, I am only interested in gun related crime and as you said any idiot can see they are related which is what most of us have been saying. Reduce the number of guns and reduce the number of gun crimes, other crimes are not the issue.

So have I - I was shot in the leg when I was 14...interestingly enough, I was living in Germany at the time (1961), and guns were forbidden by the US at the time - we didn't even permit the German military to have live ammo in 1961.

Interestingly enough, this was one of FOX's lead stories today...

Georgia mom home alone with kids shoots ex-con intruder | Fox News

Of course Allison, I have a sign that says beware of dogs, beware of lawn mower, beware of moving vehicles, beware of horses, beware of barbwire, beware of smith and wesson, beware of passing gas... all can be deadly

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Your question...

My answer...

Let me hear a great big DUH!...

I re-read and edited before you posted but yes I'm glad you agree that the more guns the more gun crime which is my point.

Yup...any other conclusion would be rather illogical. The statement merely states the obvious...

It's difficult to reply to individually comments when people type "inside" the quoted text instead of using the quote feature, so I'm not going to mess with responding to each of your "red" comments...

But just let me point out: I didn't say guns "bewitch" people; I said they *can* encourage people to commit crime. I never said this was a "trend." The research I listed has statisitically significant outcomes to conclude that guns *can* foster crimes. Here's a quote from just ONE of them:

"Previous research on the relationship between gun ownership and crime has been impeded by a lack of reliable data on gun ownership. But Duggan uses a new proxy for gun ownership... to show that guns foster rather than deter criminal activity."

Much of the psychology research concludes that "the availability of guns encourages some people who are contemplating committing a violent crime to carry it out, but first to arm themselves to overcome their fear of retaliation."

Your argument that these are "isolated incidences and exceptions" is a little like a drug company saying its new drug doesn't kill people because there are only some "isolated deaths" as a result of people using it and they are the "exception" than the rule.