The C word has now been said

Well..now were down to canada and Dutchland (cant remember for my life the real country name xD )..only because I actually know people there.. and they seem to have a nice assortment of guns, lol.
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For everyone that thinks there is less gun control in Canada -- read this list of prohibited firearms and ammunition in Canada. There is a list of 'restricted' arms that is just about as long. And, every single gun is 'registered'.

Prohibited firearms include:

• Handguns

• with a barrel length inferior to 105 millimetres (4.1 in), or;
• that are designed to discharge .25 or .32 calibre ammunition;
• exceptions are stated in the Regulations Prescribing Exclusions from Certain Definitions of the Criminal Code International Sporting Competition Handguns[29]

• Rifles and shotguns that have been altered by sawing, cutting or any other means, so that:

• the barrel length is inferior to 457 millimetres (18.0 in) (regardless of overall length), or;
• the overall length is inferior to 660 millimetres (26 in)

• Firearms which have fully automatic fire capability, or "converted automatics" (i.e.: firearms which were originally semi-automatic, but have been modified to discharge ammunition in an automatic fashion)
• Firearms prescribed as prohibited by the Regulations Prescribing Certain Firearms and other Weapons, Components and Parts of Weapons, Accessories, Cartridge Magazines, Ammunition and Projectiles as Prohibited or Restricted (SOR/98-462)[23]:

• Firearm capable of discharging dart or other object carrying electrical current or substance, including Taser Public Defender and any variant or modified version of it
• Firearm known as SSS-1 Stinger and any similar firearm designed or of a size to fit in the palm of the hand
• Carbines, rifles and shotguns of designs commonly known as, including any variants or modified versions of them:

• A.A. Arms AR9 semi-auto rifle and AR-9 carbine
• AK-47 rifle and all variants, including AK Hunter, AKM, AKM-63, AKS-56S, AKS-56S-1/2, AKS-74, AKS84S-1, AMD-65, AR Model .223, Dragunov, Galil, KKMPi69, M60, M62, M70B1, M70AB2, M76, M77B1, M78, M80, M80A, MAK90, MPiK, MPiKM, MPiKMS-72, MPiKS, PKM, PKM-DGN-60, PMKM, RPK, RPK-74, RPK-87S, Type 56, 56-1, 56-2, 56-3, 56-4, Type 68, Type 79, American Arms AKY39, AKF39, AKC47 and AKF47, MAM70WS762, Mitchell AK-22, AK-47 and Heavy Barrel AK-47, Norinco 84S, 84S AK, 56, 56-1/2/3/4, Poly Technologies Inc. AK-47/S, AKS-47/S and AKS-762, Valmet M76, M76 carbine, M78/A2, M78 LMG, M82 and M82 Bullpup, except: Valmet Hunter, Hunter Auto and M78
• American 180 auto-carbine, including AM-180 and Illinois Arms Co. Model 180 auto-carbines
• Armalite AR-180 Sporter carbine
• Barrett "Light 50" Model 82A1 & Model 90 rifles
• Benelli M1 Super 90 and M3 Super 90 shotguns, except: M1 Super 90 (Field/Sporting Special), Montefeltro Super 90 (Standard Hunter/Left Hand/Turkey/Uplander/Slug/20 Gauge), Black Eagle (Limited Ed./Competition/Slug Gun), Super Black Eagle (Custom Slug)
• Beretta AR70 assault rifle
• Bernardelli before and B4/B shotguns
• BM 59 rifle, including: Beretta BM 59, BM 59R, BM 59GL, BM 59D, BM 59 MkE, BM 59 MkI/MkII/MkIII, BM 59 Mk Ital/Ital TA/TP/Para and BM 60CB, as well as Springfield Armory BM 59 Alpine, BM 59 Alpine Paratrooper and BM 59 Nigerian MkIV
• Bushmaster auto-rifle
• Calico M-900 rifle, including M-951, M-100 and M-105 carbines
• Cetme Sport auto-rifle
• Claridge HI-TEC C, LEC, ZLEC-9 carbines
• Daewoo K1, K1A1, K2, Max1, Max2, AR-100, AR-110C, MAXI-II and KC-20 rifles
• Demro TAC-1M and XF-7 Wasp carbines
• Eagle Apache carbine
• Encom MK-IV, MP-9 and MP-45 carbines
• FAMAS rifle, including MAS223, FAMAS Export, FAMAS Civil and Mitchell MAS/22
• Feather AT-9 semi-auto carbine and AT-22 auto-carbine
• Federal XC-900, XC-220 rifles and XC-450 auto-rifle
• Fabrique Nationale FN FNC, FNC-11, FNC-22, FNC-33, FNC Auto and FNC Auto Paratrooper rifles, as well as FN FAL, FN 308 Model44, FAL Competition Auto, FAL Heavy Barrel 308 Match, FAL Paratrooper 308 Match 50-64 and FN 308 Model 50-63
• Franchi SPAS 12, LAW 12 shotguns
• Franchi SPAS 15 shotgun
• Galil assault rifle, including AP-84, ARM, AR, SAR, 332 and Mitchell Galil/22 auto-rifle
• Gepard anti-materiel rifle
• Goncz High-Tech carbine
• Grendel R-31 auto-carbine
• Heckler&Koch G3, G3A3, G3A3ZF, G3A4, G3SG/1, G11, HK33, 33A2, 33A3, 33KA1, HK91, 91A2, 91A3, 93, 93A2, 93A3, 94, 94A2, 94A3 and PSG-1 rifles, as well as: MP5, MP5A2, MP5A3, MP5K, MP5SD, MP5SD1, MP5SD2, MP5SD3 submachine guns
• Iver Johnson AMAC long-range rifle and Plainfield Super Enforcer carbine
• J&R Eng M-68, PJK M-68 and Wilkinson Terry carbines
• Kimel Industries AR-9 rifle/carbine
• Leader Mark Series auto-rifle
• Maadi Griffin rifle/carbine
• McMillan M87, M87R rifles and M88 carbine
• Pauza Specialties P50 rifle and P50 carbine
• PE57 rifle
• Research Armament Industries Model 500 rifle
• SIG AMT, SG-550 rifles and SG-551 carbine
• Spectre auto-carbine
• Springfield Armory SAR-48, SAR-48 Bush/Heavy Barrel/Para/22
• Steyr AUG rifle
• Striker, Striker 12 and Streetsweeper shotguns
• Thompson submachine gun including: Model 1921, 1927, 1928, M1, Auto-Ordnance M27A-1, M27A-1 Deluxe, M1927A-3/A-5, Commando Arms MkI, MkII, MkIII, Mk9, Mk45
• Universal Enforcer Model 3000 auto-carbine and Model 3010N, 3015G, 3020TRB and 3025TCO carbines
• US Arms PMAI assault rifle
• USAS-12 auto-shotgun
• UZI, Mini-UZI and Model A carbines
• Weaver Arms Nighthawk carbine

• Pistols, revolvers and other handguns of designs commonly known as, including any variants or modified versions of them:

• AA Arms AP-9 auto-pistol and AP-9, Target AP-9 and Mini AP-9 pistols
• Bushmaster auto-pistol
• Calico M-950 auto-pistol and M-110 pistol
• Claridge Hi-Tec Models S, L, T, ZL-9 and ZT-9 pistols
• Cobray M10, M11, and RPB M10/M11/SM10/SM11 and SWD M10/M11/SM10/SM11 pistols
• CZ Skorpion auto-pistol
• Encom MK-IV, MP-9 and MP-45 assault pistols, including MP-9, MP-45 mini pistols
• Federal XP-450, XP-900 auto-pistols
• Goncz High-Tech long pistol
• Grendel P-30, P-30M, P-30L and P-31 pistols
• Heckler&Koch SP89 auto-pistol
• Ingram M10, M11 pistols
• Interdynamics KG-99 assault pistol
• Intratec Tec-9, Tec-9S, Tec-9M and Tec-9MS auto-pistols (as well as any semi-automatic variant including Tec-DC9, Tec-DC9M, Tec-9A, Tec-Scorpion, Tec-22T and Tec-22TN)
• Iver Johnson Enforcer Model 3000 auto-pistol
• Kimel Industries AP-9 pistol
• Leader Mark5 auto-pistol
• Maadi Griffin pistol
• OA-93 assault pistol
• Patriot pistol
• Partisan Avenger auto-pistol
• Spectre auto-pistol
• Sterling MK6 carbine
• Steyr SPP auto-pistol
• Sterling Mk7, Mk7 C4 and Mk7 C8 pistols
• US Arms PMAIP assault pistol
• UZI, Micro-UZI pistols
• XM231S pistol and A1, A2, A3 Flattop pistols

Cheers!

I guess I just need my own island, haha. Im curious as to how people I know have so many guns that are legal..lol. It sounds like almost nothing is, anywhere. ;;
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Fully automatic weapons are not legal in the US (there are exceptions, but they are heavily regulated), so no one can strut w "any" weapoon they like.
Drug gangs carrying semi and fully automatic weapons scare me. And, they really scare unarmed law abiding Mexican citizens where gun ownership is difficult to achieve - these gangs often scare citizens to death even - w a few rounds.

It's double scary when Obama and his flunky Eric Holder are arming the drug gangs...

And it doesn't help when government officals are not punished but
Instead given better positions .
And example would be the former 2nd in command at the ATF
Ex-ATF official's gun ends up at Mexican cartel shootout that killed beauty queen | Fox News

A gun he bought ended up in Mexico where the Mexician beauty queen was killed,
And when he bought the gun he used the ATF's address on the registration form
On other registration forms he used the address of a strip mall.

We Canadians don't understand why someone feels they need an assault weapen when they aren't in the armed forces. When you constitution was written, what was the intent when it gave every American the right to bear arms. Weren't they using muzzle loaders then? Had anyone predicted the invention of the assault rifle there would likely have been a clause forbidding them.

Add to this that THOUSANDS of guns are purchased by known felons from gun shows and fleas markets with no background checks of any kind and no identification even asked for. The gun shows and flea markets in Oklahoma and all across Texas have Mexican Nationals waiting in every parking lot to buy the 'assault style' long guns, the high capacity clips and any large caliber handguns that people want to make a quick profit on.

We have a Sunday morning flea market about 3 miles down the road form me. It is one of the biggest and oldest in the state. Any Sunday morning you will find about 15 or 20 'non-dealers' with 20 or 30 or even 50 guns on tables that they will sell to ANYBODY with the cash -- no questions asked and no identification asked for. Many of these guns go straight to Mexico.

Someone tell me what good comes from the 'gun show loophole'? It makes all background checks and any efforts to keep guns out of the hands of convicted felons and and mentally unstable people a complete joke as well as facilitating the drug wars in Mexico.

All I can say is that I would really like to see them try. That's simply a war they can't win, especially in the southern states. I know for a fact in my little town of 500 people, at least 2/3 of the citizens have firearms...and those that have them often have more than one. I know of at least half a dozen people that have dozens (hunters mostly but a couple of gun enthusiasts).


IMHO, if the fed govt decides to try to come into our homes and take our guns, they will start a civil war...and they won't win. For that reason, I don't believe it will ever happen. I mean, after all, how many instances of "Soldiers killed by citizen defending their home and 2nd amendment rights" or "Citizen killed by soldiers attempting to seize handguns" would be all over every news channel in just in the first few hours of their "confiscation"?

Oh, and I don't know if it's this way in other states, but here in Texas, if the feds come in and try to start running stuff, the Sheriff can legally look at them and say "get the hell out of my county" and the feds have to because they have no jurisdiction over elected law enforcement officials here.

My Dad, who is a Texas County Sheriff, has read up on this and educated himself thoroughly about what the fed govt has the jurisdiction to do (or more importantly, what they don't have the jurisdiction to do). He has straight up told me "I prefer to have the citizens of my county armed. For every 1 person that might pose a risk to others, there are 100 that would willingly die, or kill, to protect others."

That is why the japanise didn't invade the west coast after pearl harbour
Attack, Adminal Yamamoto said there would be a gun behind every tree.

He knew it would be to costly for the japanise army.

SMR Texas is kind of it's own country anyway. LOL.......