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        02-17-2013, 08:16 PM
      #561
    Yearling
    When they wrote the second amendment, we didn't have the assault-style rifles and high capacity magazines that we now have today....

    And I would hardly compare our current president to Hitler.
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        02-17-2013, 08:37 PM
      #562
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    Originally Posted by Remali    
    Why do some people think the Government is going to take away their 2nd amendment rights? No one is taking away anyone's guns. And, why on earth are some people thing the Government and our military are going to "rise up against" the population... I think some people are watching too many Mad Max movies.
    Because of idiot laws being proposed by idiot politicians like
    Those in Missouri.

    Democrats in the state House have proposed a bill that would force gun owners to either surrender or destroy weapons including semi-automatic rifles with detachable magazines and semi-automatic pistols with a fixed magazine that can shoot more than 10 rounds before being reloaded.

    Read more: Missouri Democrats propose forcing some gun owners to destroy, surrender weapons | Fox News

    Yea, I know you think Fox News is biased. And the MSM
    Like CNN are your favorites .

    You should actually read the NDAA that Obama signed last yr.
    (National Defense Authorization Act) and how the government
    Plans to use the U.S. Military to enforce Unconstitutal laws that
    Were issued using Executive Orders.
         
        02-17-2013, 08:54 PM
      #563
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    Originally Posted by Remali    
    When they wrote the second amendment, we didn't have the assault-style rifles and high capacity magazines that we now have today....

    And I would hardly compare our current president to Hitler.
    No we didn't have those guns and magazines then
    ,
    But what we did have was the Same Exact types of firearms and
    Ammunition.

    And you stated almost the exact statement in a prior post.

    In a Google hangout last evening, President Barack Obama explained that his problem is that he's "not the emperor of the United States":

    Also on Fox Nation.
         
        02-17-2013, 09:20 PM
      #564
    Yearling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by RegalCharm    
    Because of idiot laws being proposed by idiot politicians like
    Those in Missouri.

    Democrats in the state House have proposed a bill that would force gun owners to either surrender or destroy weapons including semi-automatic rifles with detachable magazines and semi-automatic pistols with a fixed magazine that can shoot more than 10 rounds before being reloaded.

    Read more: Missouri Democrats propose forcing some gun owners to destroy, surrender weapons | Fox News

    Yea, I know you think Fox News is biased. And the MSM
    Like CNN are your favorites .

    You should actually read the NDAA that Obama signed last yr.
    (National Defense Authorization Act) and how the government
    Plans to use the U.S. Military to enforce Unconstitutal laws that
    Were issued using Executive Orders.
    I really don't have any favorite News sources, but Fox has a bad track record/reputation of misquotes and false staements. I don't watch MSN at all. I do like Anderson Cooper though, but not for political news.
         
        02-18-2013, 04:09 AM
      #565
    Yearling
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    Originally Posted by Faceman    
    The answer to your first question is...yes...absolutely yes.

    The answer to your second question is not so simple...Many people, and that includes several on here based upon their previous posts, seem to have some notion that the US government, backed up by the military and civilian police, can overcome the populace. Nothing could be farther from the truth. If the populace rose up, the military wouldn't stand a chance. The fact that the military have cannons and automatic weapons, etc. is of no consequence. In the first place, probably 75% of the military would desert and join their families in the fight against an evil governmentm and the number of cops that would side with the population would liely be even higher. Forget the national guard and reserves - they ARE the population. There are about 2 million in the military and maybe 200 million Americans old enough to pull the trigger.

    So we need to stop this nonsense about the government controlling the people in a revolution - it ain't going to happen - at least not in this country. That is not to say we are currently in any such situation of course, but should some truly oppressive government arise, it would not stand a chance, and anyone that thinks it can is in fantasyland. Now if the population were unarmed, then the government could do pretty much anything it pleased - THUS THE SECOND AMENDMENT....
    Your "it aint going to happen" is almost entirely based upon the military and armed forces deserting - you have no way of knowing that, what is an evil government to you might be a righteous and democratic government to someone else -or are you claiming that 75% of government empolyed people fee lthe same about all issues?

    Yes 200 million may be trigger happy, but the armed forces against a diverse and non trained domestic forces I think the outcome would be far from what you imagine, and it would be basically undemocractic and against individuals freedoms - the whole point of having an elected government is to represent the people so armed elements do not become a dictatorship by simple force. The civilised way forward for a society is being able to vote, not shoot.
         
        02-18-2013, 08:15 AM
      #566
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Faceman    
    ... the government is already taking away some of our second amendment rights, and wants to take away more. We permit the government to exercise prudent gun control for the good of society, but remember that ANY gun control is infringing on the second amendment.
    Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose....

    What you see as infringing others see as reasonable interpretation of the Constitution.
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        02-18-2013, 08:25 AM
      #567
    Green Broke
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    Originally Posted by Clava    
    Your "it aint going to happen" is almost entirely based upon the military and armed forces deserting - you have no way of knowing that, what is an evil government to you might be a righteous and democratic government to someone else -or are you claiming that 75% of government empolyed people fee lthe same about all issues?

    Yes 200 million may be trigger happy, but the armed forces against a diverse and non trained domestic forces I think the outcome would be far from what you imagine, and it would be basically undemocractic and against individuals freedoms - the whole point of having an elected government is to represent the people so armed elements do not become a dictatorship by simple force. The civilised way forward for a society is being able to vote, not shoot.
    Dream on...
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        02-18-2013, 08:26 AM
      #568
    Green Broke
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    Originally Posted by Remali    

    And I would hardly compare our current president to Hitler.
    Neither would I - or anyone else I know.

    Absolutely irrelevant...
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        02-18-2013, 08:28 AM
      #569
    Green Broke
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    Originally Posted by RedHorseRidge    
    Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose....

    What you see as infringing others see as reasonable interpretation of the Constitution.
    Thank you for restating what I already said in my post you quoted..." We permit the government to exercise prudent gun control for the good of society..."
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        02-18-2013, 08:30 AM
      #570
    Weanling
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    Originally Posted by Remali    
    When they wrote the second amendment, we didn't have the assault-style rifles and high capacity magazines that we now have today....

    And I would hardly compare our current president to Hitler.
    Ok time for a history lesson here. When this nation was formed and the constitution written there was a small standing army. Comparatively speaking. There was an fear of a large standing army. This federal army was armed with smoothbore flintlock muskets. Mostly charlleville from France. The same muskets used to beat the British. These flintlocks were the " assault weapons" of the day. They had an effective range of 50-75 yards maybe 100 if extremely lucky. The average citizen depending on the area of the nation was armed with a flintlock rifle. The effective range was250 yards +. Which means at the time of the onset the average American citizen was better armed than his federal troop counter part. So I find that part of the discussion that I've heard over and over in other discussions as well to be flawed to say the least.
    Also to go along with this train of thought would mean we all would still be hunting and defending our selves with flintlocks. No cowboy would have ever had his six gun. No homesteader would have ever had his winchester lever gun. No deer hunter would have ever had his bolt action remington. When they all came out they were at the top of their " military" design.

    Secondly. The defenition of an assault rifle. An assault rifle is a selective fire( selective between automatic, semi auto , and burst fire) rifle that uses an intermediate cartridge and detachable magazine. Ok there it is. So what everyone that is referring as these black scary gun as assault rifles are wrong. They are NOT. THEY ARE LOOK ALIKES! That is it. The media uses the term incorrectly for the wow factor. Nothing more.

    I do not compare our current president to hitler. I base my opinion of our government based on the thousands of years of history before our government. Governments all through history that became open for corruption and rife with agenda driven beaurocrats to the point of to the point they have forgotten who they are there for.
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