The C word has now been said

The bill bans such deadly features as “pistol grips” and “barrel shrouds” because clearly they add to the lethality of any firearm. These people are so full of hatred for gun owners they don’t even understand what they are banning.

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Regardless of statistics which can be misleading due to different means of defining violent crime and different means of recording it (as described in discussed in detail earlier), people here do not feel so threaten by this "violent crime" that they would need to use guns. Those that I know have legal shot guns do not regard them as needed for self protection. This is what you don't seem to get, no-one wants to be able to carry guns to protect themselves as no-one would ever expect to be attacked by an armed person, it is extremely rare.

If handguns were freely available here (they have always been tightly controlled before the ban) then I can imagine that everyone would want one as all the idiot cowardly bullies and minor criminas could then be armed and the level of fear in our society would sky rocket.

Your "right to protect yourself" comes at the high price of having guns available to all - the good and the bad and makes the number of people dying by guns (a statistic which is quantifiable and easy to define) one of the highest in the civilised world.

We don't allow assault weapons or hand guns in the UK, I think the constant reloading of a double barrel shot gun lessens the impact and ease of a mass shooting, but as said I'm no expert. Yes, we still have armed robberies...everythiing is a compromise but I believe tougher control of guns helps to keep those numbers down. Here legal shot guns must be stored in a locket strong box.

A pistol grip and barrel shroud actually make a gun safer for the shooter, but what do these wacko gun ban nuts know about guns anyways

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Where do you get these figures from? Going by some of your other stats they are maybe not even up to date. Apart from that we've already discussed this in great length before - Different countries have different reporting methods, and 'violent crime' can mean anything from a couple of schoolkids getting into a brawl to someone getting stabbed. We have also established that where population levels are high, people are living in close quarters to each other and the where there is a certain type of population crime figures are higher - and that fact applies anywhere in the world.
Allowing free range easy access to guns into an already violent society is only going to increase the figures - its a lot easier to kill people with a gun than with a knife and a violent crime soon becomes a murder. Maybe that's why in the UK our violent crime figures may be high but our death by gun figures are so much lower
Why is it also constantly assumed that the people who want gun controls are anti gun and know nothing about them. I watched a TV programme last week with two police commisioners speaking out very strongly in favour of gun controls.
I think too many people are feeding off the scaremongering propaganda the NRA are churning out because so much of what keeps being repeated on this thread is almost word for word what they keep pushing out. Say thing enough times and people will believe it - its exactly how Hitler won his people over. They have their own agenda.

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1st of all that is total reported Crimes per country in your stats, not per 100,000 like my stats

2nd, that is All Crimes not Violent Crimes like my stats

3rd, The US has 5 times the population but 1/2 of the crime of the UK.... interesting

The Stats were pulled from 2010/2011 UK from the British Crime Survey, and from the FBI

Free range of Guns? We have 20,000 gun laws that most are not being enforced and for the record I and most of the people seem to be for reasonable gun control like background checks even at gun shows.

NRA has nothing to do with it, it is not rocket science to know that Criminals, Mentally Challenged and Wacko's will not follow any Laws on Guns past, present or future.

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This captures how ridiculous the last assault weapon ban was:

I'm pretty sure from what you are saying that you have lifted your facts straight from Ben Swanns 'Reality checks' without even bothering to research what he says so maybe you could spend a few minutes of your time to read this link instead of taking everything on face value as you did with another link you posted that was dated 10 years ago so barely relevant
Fact-Checking Ben Swann: Is the UK really 5 times more violent than the US? | The Skeptical Libertarian
The unbiased programme on TV - it gave both sides of the argument - also stated that the vast majority of guns involved in crimes were originally bought legally or were 'straw sales' that were then sold on by the public illegally.
I would have thought that the easiest way to keep track of where guns were and where they were changing hands inappropriately was to have a national register of guns and gun owners. This does help the police a lot in the UK - apples and oranges I know - because we arent in fear that our government is out to get us so no use using it as a comparison.
In fact I think past posts already established that trying to compare the UK to the US is actually 'apples and oranges' If you can't see that then try pushing the population of the UK - 62,641,000 into the US state of Alabama which is the same size as the UK and has a population of only 4,822,023
Despite this only 3 UK police officers were killed on duty in 2011

I just got this via email; I have checked only a few of the numbers and found them to be accurate, so I need to do some more digging to see if the rest are valid. In the mean time... comments?

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Strange, District of Columbia was not in that report, wonder why???????

31.2 deaths per 100,000

The Toughest Gun Laws in the USA ... and the highest rate of Death

Hmmmmmmm....

BTW, Alaska is wrong, it is 20 per

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