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    12-17-2012, 01:08 PM
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Can anyone explain to me?

Why is it that so many people are against laws on the holding of guns being tightened?

I am not against anyone owning a gun providing they meet a criteria like not on parole or have a mental illness but, why on earth does anyone want to own a gun that fires multiple shots?
     
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    12-17-2012, 01:16 PM
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You live in the UK. You simply don't have the ability to understand American culture concerning the right to bear arms. You've never lived in a place where gun ownership was considered a right.

I'm not saying anything for or against tighter regulations, but unless you were born a US citizen you won't understand how the right to bear arms is so deeply imbedded into the American psyche.

I don't own anything that rapid fires, but I do own two guns; a handgun and a rifle. As a woman living alone, it's my right to defend myself should the need arise.
     
    12-17-2012, 01:47 PM
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Green Broke
Cause anybody worth shooting is worth shooting twice.
People have pretty much figured out most of the government bans do nothing but cause problems for law abiding citizens. What seems to be lost on so many people is the simple fact, Criminals don't obey laws. Just look around you at things like drugs, illegal immigration, and probably many more issues. Our justice system and mental health system is broken. Knee jerk reaction laws simply do nothing to help. They just make problems for everyone else. We have quite a few gun laws now. Many of which never get enforced. In many places it is a felony to allow a minor access to a gun, yet when a child gets one and shoots himself the parent is NEVER prosecuted and sent to jail. Revently a 17yo shot a friend, in what was described as a hunting accident. There was a long list of crimes committed associated with the incedent, yet they were all ignored by the police and media. The NRA pushed very hard to have someone declared mentally a danger to others to have that info entered in your back ground, so that a dealer and state police doing a background check would see it and block the sale. Yet the Democrats blocked the legislation saying it violated privacy concerns. The guns used in CT were stolen, I am not an expert on CT law but even if it wasnt a law, they should have been locked up. Mine are. For about 10 years during the 90's no guns could be sold that held more than 10 rounds, also some other dumb laws. The law was allowed to expire because it was easy to get around and really made no sense. We will probably see it return, as it sound like a good idea to the uninformed.
     
    12-17-2012, 01:55 PM
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I couldn't have said it better Joe.

Will add, that in a situation where you are facing an assailant, you are being bombarded with mind and body altering chemicals. A few extra rounds will seal the deal in case you miss the first shot. I shoot regularly, I've been shooting since I was a small child, but I've never been in a situation where I thought I would have to pull out my gun on a dangerous attacking animal or human. I do not know how my body will react. I do know that I have a large enough capacity in all of my guns to get the job done, save my/family's life, and put dinner on the table.
     
    12-17-2012, 02:03 PM
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I can beleive that many of the laws for gun control do not achieve their aims. It's complicated and there are SO many guns out there, unregistered and such.

I have to say, however, that I am as American as the others but I simply do NOT comprehend the gun-loving culture, not at all. Guns are not important to me at all and I am not one of those who are so worried about losing guns that they say "you'll take away my guns out of my cold dead hands". The love of guns is utterly baffling to me.
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    12-17-2012, 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Foxhunter    
Why is it that so many people are against laws on the holding of guns being tightened?

I am not against anyone owning a gun providing they meet a criteria like not on parole or have a mental illness but, why on earth does anyone want to own a gun that fires multiple shots?
I will assume this question stems from the recent mass shootings. If I heard correctly, the guns were not owned by the shooter. If he couldn't get them legally, it's not that difficult to get them illegally.

I do agree that automatic assault rifles should be banned. But where would it stop? Just like your question, what is a multi fire gun? One that holds more than one round or one that fires multiple rounds? Even a revolver could be considered as firing multiple rounds. The law would have to be very specific and people would find a way around it. Or the law would be vague and all guns would be illegal.

My wife got a felony charge about 30 years ago. It had nothing to do with guns. It was for selling weed once. She cannot own a firearm legally, even just for protection.

I have never owned a gun. Never had a need for one. I don't hunt. Since we've moved out into the country, I've been thinking of getting one to protect us against wild animals. So I can have one but since my wife can't have one in the household, technically, I can't either. So do I get one and keep it illegally or not? See where it gets confusing? There will always be gray areas and people will push those limits.
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    12-17-2012, 02:12 PM
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Something the mainstream media is refusing to report. The shooter at the Oregon mall was stopped by an armed shopper. If a single teacher had been carrying in CT results would have been different. Israeli teachers can carry guns if they choose. There have been several attempted school shootings. They ended much differently.
     
    12-17-2012, 02:15 PM
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Automatic assault rifles ARE banned. (other than a few rare loopholes) The weapon used IS NOT an Assault weapon. The media is ignorant and reports lies.
The AR 15 used is just cosmetically made to look like an assault rifle. Assault fifles have full auto capability. These guns do not.
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    12-17-2012, 02:19 PM
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Green Broke
Because every large scale mass murder in history has started with a ban on civilian owned weapons.
Ask the Jews in Germany,
The Russians under Stalin,
The Cambodians,
The Ugandans,
The Rhodesians,
Oh yeh that's right you can't. Because they let there government disarm them.
Gi back to the LA riots, scenes of burned out buildings, burned out looted buildings, Nice intact store with Korean on roof with rifle, burned out building, burned out building.
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    12-17-2012, 02:22 PM
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Green Broke
It isnt illegal to own a gun in the UK - if you can prove you have the right to own one then the law doesnt prevent you doing that and the current prime minister is voicing support of people who actually do shoot to kill someone who invades their home with the intent of causing them harm. Occurences are pretty rare
I think pretty much every elderly person living alone in the rural area I came from kept a shotgun under there bed - many were elderly ladies
The difference is its not legal to carry one around with you unless you're going to shoot vermin on your land or visiting an organised shoot
Joe4D The guns used in the CT shooting were not exactly stolen - they belonged to the young mans mother and were legally owned and some uncomfirmed reports say that he accompanied her to a shooting range and used them there.
One thing I noticed here is the much higher police presence everywhere, in the UK towns I'm familar with you'd be lucky to see a police officer doing anything other than pulling people for traffic offences
Some gun crime statistics:
List of countries by firearm-related death rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Gun homicides and gun ownership listed by country | News | guardian.co.uk
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