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        03-20-2013, 01:26 AM
      #121
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    Originally Posted by Darrin    
    Yes I would, try doing that in Portland, OR.

    I bet Chapel Hill could out liberal almost any city in the US. We are UBER liberal here. Senator Jesse Helms said he would like to put a fence around Chapel Hill and call it the NC zoo!!
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        03-20-2013, 08:37 AM
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    Originally Posted by dbarabians    
    IMO our "freedoms" are not being eroded.
    I was quite aware you don't feel our freedoms are being eroded. Of course you have a right to that opinion, but it seems pretty irrational to me. Before I ever see my paycheck, about 25% of it has been taken by my government. After that, I have to pay property taxes, sales taxes on my purchases, taxes on my utility bills, vehicle registration fees, etc. If my mother and father in law wish to turn ownership of their farm over to my wife and I, of course the government needs a piece of that as well. Actually, I doubt my wife and I would even be able to pay the property taxes, let alone the gift tax. My tax dollars are used to pay for government "services" that, for the most part, I object to (I object to the funding of planned parenthood, contraceptives for college students, or anyone else for that matter, and funding for able bodied people who find it more attractive to live on government assitance than to get a job). If I want to add an addition onto my home I have to get permission from my government. Then I have to have their inspector come and inspect every step of the construction. My right to buy a gun has not been taken away yet, but limitations have been put on it, and I can only expect, that more limitations will be put on it in the future. It is hardly rational, in my opinion of course, to see freedom as not eroding. Of course, you and I have different views of freedom.

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    what I find troubling is the language used by Ted Cruz and Sarah palin to label anyone they disagree with as un american. Socialist, communist, and a danger to this nations security.
    I think that might be a slight bit of a mischaracterization, but I also see the current government as un-American (at least as it was founded), socialist, and leaning further and further toward communist, and yes a danger to freedom, as our founders gave us.

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    Ted Cruz is enjoying his moment in the spotlight. Let him. When he is up for reelection in 6 years Texas will be a blue state. He will do one of two things. Continue to try and hold his office with the support of the "tea party" or become a moderate. I for one hope he is a one term wonder. Shalom
    I for one hope we get a bunch more just like him, but I'm not too hopeful.
         
        03-20-2013, 10:28 AM
      #123
    Green Broke
    Sherkard taxes in this country are low compared to those of other industrialized countries. I have lived in Europe and Israel Taxes there taxes are much higher.
    We don't like meek and timid politicians here in Texas . Ted Cruz needs to tone down the rhetoric and get some facts straight before he steps in front of one of those cameras and microphones he loves so dearly.
    If the republican party does allow moderates a voice in their party then they might as well sit out the next election.
    Rubio understands this very well as do others. Cruz refuses to see the writing on the wall but plays to the extreme members as if moderates do not exist. He might win one more election here in Texas. But no more. Shalom
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        03-20-2013, 11:32 AM
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    Originally Posted by dbarabians    
    Sherkard taxes in this country are low compared to those of other industrialized countries. I have lived in Europe and Israel Taxes there taxes are much higher.
    We don't like meek and timid politicians here in Texas . Ted Cruz needs to tone down the rhetoric and get some facts straight before he steps in front of one of those cameras and microphones he loves so dearly.
    If the republican party does allow moderates a voice in their party then they might as well sit out the next election.
    Rubio understands this very well as do others. Cruz refuses to see the writing on the wall but plays to the extreme members as if moderates do not exist. He might win one more election here in Texas. But no more. Shalom
    DB, I think you may have somewhat missed my point. My point was not to compare the amount of taxes I have to pay with other industrialized nations. My point is... I believe my freedoms are being eroded as my government usurps more and more control of my life all the time. I oppose the use of federal tax dollars for abortion providers, contraceptives, welfare programs, national endowment for the arts, bailouts, and tons of other things my government taxes me for. The federal government, in my opinion, as established by our constitution,has long over reached their constitutional powers. It seems to me, no logical person can look at the thousands and thousands of laws that are constantly being passed, and feel that our freedoms have not been diminished. America, to me, always seemed kind of "special" among the rest of the world. Not because we are somehow better. Not because other countries could not have established the same kind of government. It was our founding... the freedom we were given, not by the government, who could just take it away, but by our creator. Now, as the government usurps more and more power, we are losing the value of our freedom. Sure, we still have some freedom in comparison to some, but we are sure not as free as our founders intended for us to be. I don't think we should compare ourselves to other industrialized nations. We should compare ourselves to our constitution. Not to do so, in my opinion, is un-American.

    That's why I find myself in more agreement with Ted Cruz, Sarah Palin, Mike Huckabee, Rand Paul and any few others who have spoken for limited powers of government, and why I believe the vast majority of our government are un-American, socialist, and at a minimum, tend to lean toward communism.
         
        03-20-2013, 11:47 AM
      #125
    Green Broke
    Sherkad people who complain about laws that intrude into their lives then rail against a womans right to choose and marriage equality, and denying the children of immigrants that are born here citizenship only see those laws they agree with as just or necessary.
    Gun laws are becoming more lenient in this country. Especially my State of Texas. Abortion is under attack in most states and is beconing harder to access especially for the poor.
    I think it is logical to compare the tax rates of other countries when people complain about higher taxes when those in this country are fairly low. That is not unamerican that is becoming informed.
    American from my experience ask question and demand answers more so than any other country I have ever been to or lived inside its borders.
    I can respect a libertarian or republican that truly believes in limited government. Most however only pay lip service to the principles they claim to support. Shalom
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        03-20-2013, 12:51 PM
      #126
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    Originally Posted by dbarabians    
    Sherkad people who complain about laws that intrude into their lives then rail against a womans right to choose and marriage equality, and denying the children of immigrants that are born here citizenship only see those laws they agree with as just or necessary.
    Gun laws are becoming more lenient in this country. Especially my State of Texas. Abortion is under attack in most states and is beconing harder to access especially for the poor.
    I think it is logical to compare the tax rates of other countries when people complain about higher taxes when those in this country are fairly low. That is not unamerican that is becoming informed.
    American from my experience ask question and demand answers more so than any other country I have ever been to or lived inside its borders.
    I can respect a libertarian or republican that truly believes in limited government. Most however only pay lip service to the principles they claim to support. Shalom
    DB, I support a woman's right to chose, that is unless her choice is to take a human life. I believe an abortion is the taking of a life, a human life. It is offensive to me that it is hidden behind such phrases as a woman's right to choose, or pro-choice. That is a clever political ploy, but at the end of the day, the life that is lost is a human life, temporarily dependent on it's mother for it's life. Otherwise, I support a woman's right to chose lots of things.

    Regarding marriage equality... it is my belief, like I said in my last post that our rights are endowed by our Creator. That is apparently what our founders believed as well. The concept of the Creator, I understand to be a Biblical concept. I don't believe it was as foreign of a concept as it is today. I believe, even among our liberty loving founding fathers, there was a Biblical standard of morality that ruled the day. I am not aware of same sex attractions in the days of our constitution (although I have no doubt there will be some that can show me some internet "evidence" that one of the signers of the constitution was attracted to men, or something). I believe that's a relatively new phenomenon in our society. Had it been an issue at the time, somehow I believe it would have been an offense to the piousness of the founders and they would have rejected it. That being said, I don't believe they would have advocated any government intrusion into the homes of the citizens to see what was going on behind closed doors. I don't advocate that either, but I also don't think people's vile affections should be written into our laws.

    Now, the children of immigrants. I've got to admit, I don't have any easy answers. Suffice it to say, I support the legal immigration of immigrants and welcome them with open arms as fellow Americans. I only ask that they really be American and embrace the constitution as an American should.

    Now, I have no doubt you and I will never agree on any of this. I'll concede that your view is more "mainstream" than mine, which was my only point in joining this thread. My point is... just because Sarah Palin, Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, Mike Huckabee and anyone else I have seen you post negative comments about because of their wishes to adhere to constitutional principals, aren't "mainstream", doesn't mean they are not rational and descent people, and might even make great leaders.

    I have to go to work now... good day.
         
        03-20-2013, 01:34 PM
      #127
    Green Broke
    If we don't agree that doesnt make the conversation any less meaningful.
    I respect your beliefs and your reasoning is valid. So is mine. That's the wonderful thing about this country , we might disagree yet we are not going to kill each other over it.
    A healthy debate is vital to a free society.
    Have a great day at work. Shalom
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