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        03-01-2013, 09:56 PM
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    Doug Ross @ Journal: Obamacare hits Maine like a Nor'easter: policyholders to see rate increases up to 47 percent today

    Times this by, oh, EVERYWHERE. How can ANYONE possibly think this is going to work out ok? Hey, England, that socialist mecca touted as having a wonderful health care system, is now OPENLY talking about putting down disabled children. And their pathway care program? It's to die for.
         
        03-01-2013, 09:57 PM
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    All I have to say is Obama is ruining our country, running it to the ground.
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        03-01-2013, 10:32 PM
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    Jan (Janice) Schakowsky is a pro socialist Democratic member of the United States House of Representatives, representing the 9th district of Illinois.

    Schakowsky was recruited to help with the famous Chicago Grape Boycott by a young United Farm Workers union leader named Eliseo Medina.
    A lifelong socialist, Medina is today executive vice president of the Service Employees International Union and an honorary chair of Democratic Socialists of America.


    Jan Schakowsky - KeyWiki
         
        03-01-2013, 10:52 PM
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    Originally Posted by Horse Poor    
    See, I don't know…I also found this (from article at
    Appointments and Resignations - Author of Obamacare Blueprint Rewarded with Job at Johnson & Johnson - AllGov - News)

    "Elizabeth “Liz” Fowler was chief health policy counsel to U.S. Senator Max Baucus (D-Montana), who helped spearhead the charge for healthcare reform on Capitol Hill. While Baucus was often the public face during the legislative battle, it was Fowler who actually drafted the mammoth plan that came to be known as “Obamacare.”

    I have no doubt that a lot of people's fingerprints are on the bill, but am amazed that it is proving very difficult to find out whose…especially since it has already passed! You'd think those who wrote it would be proud of it and want their involvement known…but this doesn't seem to be the case.

    Jane Hamsher: Wellpoint Lobbyists Axed Key Protections for Breast Cancer Patients From Health Care Bill

    Wellpoint is the health car company Liz Fowler worked for before
    Working for Baucus. If you are a woman you need to read this
    Article because
    Wellpoint Lobbyists Axed Key Protections for Breast Cancer Patients From Health Care Bill
         
        03-01-2013, 10:59 PM
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    Originally Posted by gogaited    
    THey, England, that socialist mecca touted as having a wonderful health care system, is now OPENLY talking about putting down disabled children. And their pathway care program? It's to die for.
    So, let me get this straight.....you are saying the UK is going to "put down" (KILL) disabled children???

    Oh, please DO give the links to this gem of truth!!
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        03-02-2013, 09:38 AM
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    Originally Posted by Darrin    
    Umm, yeah. It was posted but over 2000 pages of legislative lawyer speak. It was not posted in time for an in depth analysis of what was there and that was done on purpose.
    I can't say with certainty, but I suspect Congress had access before the public did. And not taking time or energy to read it carefully is not the same thing as "not being permitted" to read it...
         
        03-02-2013, 09:45 AM
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    Originally Posted by RedHorseRidge    
    I can't say with certainty, but I suspect Congress had access before the public did. And not taking time or energy to read it carefully is not the same thing as "not being permitted" to read it...
    Complaints I heard from opposition politicians was that they didn't have time. That's where Nancy Pelosi's famous statement came from, you have to pass it to find out what's in it.
         
        03-02-2013, 09:57 AM
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    Originally Posted by RedHorseRidge    
    I can't say with certainty, but I suspect Congress had access before the public did. And not taking time or energy to read it carefully is not the same thing as "not being permitted" to read it...
    Sorry, but it was not "taking" time or energy to read it carefully, Congress was not "given" time to read it carefully. Those are two different things. Senators and Representatives of course rarely read lengthy legislation themselves - that is one of the things their aides are for, but in the case of the final Obamacare legislation, there was insufficient time. I'm not sure where you were then - maybe oversease or something, but the whole sordid affair prompted a lengthy debate about giving Congress a minimum time to review proposed legislation before bringing it to the floor...you don't remember any of that?

    In any case, it is possibly the worst piece of legislation ever written. It was passed 3 years ago this month, and there are STILL questions about what it contains and all the rammifications, and already it is waaay over budget with more to come. That is what happens when you try to hurriedly jam something through before the mid term elections...the Dems knew very well they would lose the House and therefore lose the opportunity to pass Obamacare. There is nothing intrinsically wrong with that - politics are politics, but this Obamacare was far too complex and far reaching to jam through haphazardly, and we are already suffering the consequences. If you have followed the news, the money for covering people with pre-existing conditions has run dry, and that was one of the primary objectives - which both Dems and Republicans agreed on, by the way...
         
        03-02-2013, 10:41 AM
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    Originally Posted by Faceman    
    Sorry, but it was not "taking" time or energy to read it carefully, Congress was not "given" time to read it carefully.
    How much time do you think they needed? The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act came out of the House committee in July 2009 and was signed into law in March 2010. By the end of 2009 (Nov and/or Dec I believe) both houses of Congress had passed their own versions. So they had plenty of time to read the bills.

    The Reconciliation Act (the amendments) was announced in early March and signed into law at the end of the month. I have a pdf version of the text for this act... it's 55 pages long.
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        03-02-2013, 10:49 AM
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    PLEASE, RHR, how many times have I asked you not to confuse people with the facts?? SHEESH!

    Heck, I read War and Peace in a week and I wasn't even trying.


         

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