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    07-23-2012, 09:54 PM
In the article, the only thing that seems to apply is #10 (below) and reading it this way, makes some sense to me. So, when we get home finally, he is worried that we are going to leave again and can't sleep properly. Double whammy.

10. Separation anxiety keeps a dog from taking advantage of your absence to get in a good nap. During sleep the need to urinate and defecate is suppressed, so the dog can wait a bit longer than at other times. If the dog is anxious, exactly the opposite happens—the stressed body needs to relieve MORE often. A veterinary behavior specialist can help with separation anxiety.

So, I'm going to read up on and talk to people about separation anxiety in dogs. Sorry, no vet behavior specialist for us. Self-instruction and self-informing as usual! There is a trainer around here that I can probably get some info from, although from what I understand she is no longer taking clients.

Edited to add: I just thought of something else. Maybe the night we were back, he left our room to go check on our son and our son's door may have been closed. Then Bandit could have been worried about our son... Hmmm... We are going away again soon for a night. I am going to try to remember to have all the doors open, ensure he goes outside, walk him all around and show him that everyone is home. Then keep all the doors open and cross my fingers.
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    07-24-2012, 12:48 AM
Northern, that's the one that caught my eye, too. Another idea might be that you put him on a leash and restrain him to a bed leg; he will be close but not able to wander all over the house. I've tried that with mixed results in the past; it totally would depend on whether he could tolerate being restrained without being even more stressed out. I love my collies to death, and would get another one if/when ours pass on, but lordy, lordy - they're worry warts.
    08-02-2012, 10:11 PM
I think I found out that it's not separation anxiety. At least not entirely. It's more like whenever his schedule gets upset. Because I tried a couple of things and everytime I did something different, Bandit would pee on the floor. So, now I've been tying Bandit to the bed nightly. So far, so good. The first three nights of this, he would pace when he had to urinate, I would get up, take him out and he'd do his thing. Then back on the "bed leash" to sleep for the rest of the night. After those first nights he went back to normal routine and would sleep right through without a hitch. Last night, he asked me to let him off the leash, so I did and he went for a snack instead of wanting to go out. I denied the snack, put him outside instead. Back in and back on the leash. No problem.

:) Yay! I am liking this. This weekend, we have to leave Bandit alone for two days (one night). My friend will check on him, but it will upset him for sure. So first night back, I'm going to make a point of getting up, even if he doesn't ask and just pet him. If he wants out, fine, but I'm not going to initiate that. <fingers crossed>
    08-02-2012, 11:24 PM
Good luck, Northern! Fingers crossed here for you. Aren't they complex creatures?

I have to share a quick story about one of our BCs. He was trying to claw his way out of his kennel during a mild thunderstorm last week around midnight one night. I tried to comfort him, no success. Sent hubby downstairs to see if he could move the kennel to a darker place where it felt more like a 'cave'. He was taking a long time so I joined him to see if he needed help. I happened to notice that the freezer wasn't working - no alarms, etc. We saved a freezer full of this year's beef. It was probably the only time in my life that I was (later) glad that the dog had waked us up with his neurosis!
    08-08-2012, 08:34 AM
Well, it's better. Not fixed, but better. We ended up being away for two nights, 2 -1/2 days. Plus our son went to a friend's house so didn't sleep at home the first couple of nights we got back. I tied Bandit to the bed. He paced in the middle of the night and he seriously had to urinate -- not just nerves, but a big 'un! The next night he was fine.

I'm going to keep tying him to the bed indefinitely. It works well and takes no effort from me. He actually seems to like it also. Maybe it's like a security thing for him - like a crate. Who knows, but it works so I'm good with that!
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    08-08-2012, 11:54 PM
Northern, glad to hear that he's getting along well with your 'program'. I'd say that if it works, it works! He's not chewing the carpet, digging, whining, chewing the bed legs, etc. so I would be really pleased with this progress. Who knows, maybe you can leave him off the leash in a few years...until son goes off to college, and ruins the schedule! Thanks for keeping us posted!
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