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    06-05-2012, 07:48 PM
  #1
Weanling
Borzois/Russian Wolfhounds

Just a few questions if anyone has experience with them.

I know they're giant dogs, long hair, with very laid back personalities. I've read they can be independent, but how independent is independent? I really enjoy "velcro" dogs so I want to know if it is a very sociable and interactive breed.

And of course, how are they around horses? Is this a dog I can take to the barn with me on occasion? Are they jealous of interaction with other people and animals? I understand they can be less than tolerable of some one (children and the like) new trying to rough them around, but if well socialized, are they even remotely problematic in public? How do you think they would be tagging along on a trail ride (solo or group)?

I will take my dog(s) everywhere with me given half a chance, so I'm just trying to get a feel out for the personality of this particular breed. I've never met them before, my husband knows of them and approves of them as a choice to own (which is amazing because most dogs I pick to research he has something against!).

I'm still trying to find a breeder; I've found one that I might like enough to contact (a first for any breeder of the number of breeds I've researched), but I would still like to find more, if I can.

Pictures too would be awesome.
     
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    06-05-2012, 08:22 PM
  #2
Green Broke
Just a few questions if anyone has experience with them.

I know they're giant dogs, long hair, with very laid back personalities. I've read they can be independent, but how independent is independent? I really enjoy "velcro" dogs so I want to know if it is a very sociable and interactive breed.

They are snooty, in a way. They like to be pet when it's on their terms.

And of course, how are they around horses? Is this a dog I can take to the barn with me on occasion? Are they jealous of interaction with other people and animals? I understand they can be less than tolerable of some one (children and the like) new trying to rough them around, but if well socialized, are they even remotely problematic in public? How do you think they would be tagging along on a trail ride (solo or group)?

They can be ok around horses if trained properly. Off leash, out side of a fence, will never happen in a million years, so no they wont be going on trails with you. They are hound dogs, if they see or smell some thing they are going after it and they wont be comming back till they have found it.

I will take my dog(s) everywhere with me given half a chance, so I'm just trying to get a feel out for the personality of this particular breed. I've never met them before, my husband knows of them and approves of them as a choice to own (which is amazing because most dogs I pick to research he has something against!).

This is a very big dog, so they are not easy to travel with. They will take up the whole back seat of your car, and so will all of their hair. They do shed, not like a normal dog, they have "hair" not fur, so they shed like people do.

I'm still trying to find a breeder; I've found one that I might like enough to contact (a first for any breeder of the number of breeds I've researched), but I would still like to find more, if I can.

These dogs are not cheap, if you find a cheap one, it's either a scam or a back yard breeder. Make sure they have all the health test done, and can show you on >>>>paper<<<< that they have had them done. Some breeders will lie about testing, so they can sell for higher prices. Also remember due to size they do not live as long as some smaller dogs. 7-11 years is the norm.

Pictures too would be awesome.

I'm going to try and get you a pic off of my phone. :/ I do not own one but my cousin does.


Remember these are just guide lines! Not every dog is the same!
     
    06-05-2012, 09:00 PM
  #3
Weanling
They are snooty, in a way. They like to be pet when it's on their terms.

Are they not owner oriented dogs?

They can be ok around horses if trained properly. Off leash, out side of a fence, will never happen in a million years, so no they wont be going on trails with you. They are hound dogs, if they see or smell some thing they are going after it and they wont be comming back till they have found it.

One of my last two dogs, herding and hunting breeds, was trained off leash (the herder was). They had better behavior and manners off leash than on, and never left my side when off leash. That is how they were trained from the get go. I realize the Borzoi is a different breed than what I owned, and that it is a hunting breed as well. Are they that instinct driven that they are unmanageable off leash?

This is a very big dog, so they are not easy to travel with. They will take up the whole back seat of your car, and so will all of their hair. They do shed, not like a normal dog, they have "hair" not fur, so they shed like people do.

I have an entire back seat of a sedan for the sole purpose of dogs, not people. I am aware of their large size (desire them, partially, because of their size) and I understand how much room they take up. I read they had silky fur. Is it hair like poodle or yorkie hair, or is it just fur (since they have two coats) that is long like any other "long haired" breed?

These dogs are not cheap, if you find a cheap one, it's either a scam or a back yard breeder. Make sure they have all the health test done, and can show you on >>>>paper<<<< that they have had them done. Some breeders will lie about testing, so they can sell for higher prices. Also remember due to size they do not live as long as some smaller dogs. 7-11 years is the norm.

If I was looking for cheap, I would not be looking to buy a pure bred from a knowledgeable and trusted breeder. I very well understand that I will be forking out more than just a few hundred dollars (probably between $1,000.00-$2,000.00 actually, and upwards towards $3,000.00 if I want a particularly desirable color, as is my experience when shopping for less common hunting and herding breeds). I am also very well aware that GIANT sized dogs do not live as long as medium or large breeds do, and no where near as long as small breeds. 9-12 years is considered the norm for Borzois, some even living as long as 12-14 years. BUT, for a giant sized breed, they are particularly healthy and disease free, which is why this breed in particular has peeked my interest.


Remember these are just guide lines! Not every dog is the same!

I realize that this is technically the first time I going to BUY a dog, but it is not the first time I have researched buying a pure breed dog. I am not going into this ignorant. I am doing my research. I have found a breeder that peaks my interest, but I have not stopped in my search for breeders, few as they seem to be of this particular breed.

I am looking for more detailed information about the breed by breed owners. I want more detailed information than what the AKC, the breed registries, and various breed and dog websites have to say about the breed, because it is all the same quoted information. I need more details.
     
    06-05-2012, 09:17 PM
  #4
Foal
I have one and we live on a farm...she run's with the rest of the dog's..1 dane, 2 spaniels and believe it or not 2 yorkie's whom really rule the roost...I do take her and one of my spaniel's on trail ride's...ONLY because the voice command is so instilled..the other's are knuckle head's.... Like all breeds of dog, start early, your's may work for what you want, or may not..but I also ride with another gal that has one and we have a blast in the water...and no...they have never attacked a horse, chicken, dog, cat or goat.....sum's it up for me... Good Luck with your new pup !
     
    06-05-2012, 09:38 PM
  #5
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by Joidigm    
I am looking for more detailed information about the breed by breed owners. I want more detailed information than what the AKC, the breed registries, and various breed and dog websites have to say about the breed, because it is all the same quoted information. I need more details.

No need to be rude, You wanted to know about them and I told you. I may not own one but I know them quite well, and have worked with a few. They are nothing like herding dogs, they are sight hounds.


Do you think the breed sites and AKC make this stuff up??? There is a reason for the information they have writen.

If you don't want to hear the truth, because you want one no matter what they really are then why are you even here?
     
    06-05-2012, 09:56 PM
  #6
Green Broke
Are they not owner oriented dogs?

They can be, it really depends on the dog. Males are more about the family, than females. They are good with strangers, but they may not want to be "buddy buddy" with them.

One of my last two dogs, herding and hunting breeds, was trained off leash (the herder was). They had better behavior and manners off leash than on, and never left my side when off leash. That is how they were trained from the get go. I realize the Borzoi is a different breed than what I owned, and that it is a hunting breed as well. Are they that instinct driven that they are unmanageable off leash?

Sight hounds are much diffrent than hurding type dogs. You have to be super hard core at training if you want them to stick near by. With some dogs the training will never work, because they have a very high prey drive.

I have an entire back seat of a sedan for the sole purpose of dogs, not people. I am aware of their large size (desire them, partially, because of their size) and I understand how much room they take up. I read they had silky fur. Is it hair like poodle or yorkie hair, or is it just fur (since they have two coats) that is long like any other "long haired" breed?

The hair is kinda like a yorkie, but it falls out a bit easier, and it takes a lot longer to grow out.

If I was looking for cheap, I would not be looking to buy a pure bred from a knowledgeable and trusted breeder. I very well understand that I will be forking out more than just a few hundred dollars (probably between $1,000.00-$2,000.00 actually, and upwards towards $3,000.00 if I want a particularly desirable color, as is my experience when shopping for less common hunting and herding breeds). I am also very well aware that GIANT sized dogs do not live as long as medium or large breeds do, and no where near as long as small breeds. 9-12 years is considered the norm for Borzois, some even living as long as 12-14 years. BUT, for a giant sized breed, they are particularly healthy and disease free, which is why this breed in particular has peeked my interest.

The best information your going to get is going to be from the breeder.

I realize that this is technically the first time I going to BUY a dog, but it is not the first time I have researched buying a pure breed dog. I am not going into this ignorant. I am doing my research. I have found a breeder that peaks my interest, but I have not stopped in my search for breeders, few as they seem to be of this particular breed.

Once again I will say, talk to the breeder. Breeders stick to gether, they know each other, they help each other out. If you have questions, they will be happy to talk to you all day about their breed. Good breeders, if they don't have what you want, will give you the # of some one that might.

I am looking for more detailed information about the breed by breed owners. I want more detailed information than what the AKC, the breed registries, and various breed and dog websites have to say about the breed, because it is all the same quoted information. I need more details.

I guess be a dog trainer, and future dog groomer, makes me stupid, so why waist my time trrying to give you the truth. As I said in my last post, they don't make this stuff up. There is a reason I posted in bold that not all dogs are the same. You could find one that is nothing like the norm or you could find one that fits it to a T.

Don't think I'm trying to make you not like the breed. I love the breed, I think they are great dogs, but I'm trying to give you the raw uneddited truth about them. Have you joined any dog forums? You might find some people there that know abit about hem as well. Don't join the one that is conected to this site though. It's like a cult. I was attacked by a mod there several times, because my old dogs wouldnt eat any thing that didn't have food coloring in it. He couldn't see very well, and he was all ways more of a visual eater than one to go by smell.
     
    06-05-2012, 10:04 PM
  #7
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by Rowdy Girl    
I have one and we live on a farm...she run's with the rest of the dog's..1 dane, 2 spaniels and believe it or not 2 yorkie's whom really rule the roost...I do take her and one of my spaniel's on trail ride's...ONLY because the voice command is so instilled..the other's are knuckle head's.... Like all breeds of dog, start early, your's may work for what you want, or may not..but I also ride with another gal that has one and we have a blast in the water...and no...they have never attacked a horse, chicken, dog, cat or goat.....sum's it up for me... Good Luck with your new pup !
Do you have any pictures? I'd love to see!

They do great in a pack, my cousin has 12 dogs (one being the borzoi) the rest are muts or diffrent sizes. I love watching them tree squirl out in the pasture.
     
    06-05-2012, 11:09 PM
  #8
Weanling
I have a Borzoi and she is the fourth Borzoi I have had. I love her dearly and plan to never be without one at least. However, they are not the dog for everyone. She is royalty, and expects to be treated as such. She is VERY independent. She will mind if she wants to, even though she is well trained and knows all the commands. If you are looking for a dog that will do well in obedience, this is not the dog for you.

She's a total couch potato in the house, but can move quicker than any other dog I've ever seen when she chooses. She is not real tolerant of other dogs that get in her personal space, she will snap at them. But has never really bitten. She lives with two pomeranians, a teeny Yorkie and a huge German Shepherd and gets along with them all.

She likes to be petted and loved on, but only on HER terms. She chooses when and how long she will allow affection. She's also very sensitive to correction, and you could easily turn her against you with harsh words or harsh treatment.

She is typical of the Borzoi breed, and will chase anything that moves. She cannot be let to roam at all, and is always either in the house or in the fence. She needs lots of room for exercise and her fenced area is 4 acres. These dogs love to run and to stay healthy they need to run. However, if not fenced they may run for miles, and can easily get lost. She will come when called, UNLESS she is chasing something, then forget it.

These are not just a characteristic of my Borzoi. The other three I had were just like her. And I'm friends with several breeders who tell me these are characteristics of the breed.

They are not snuggle bunnies, and you must be prepared to deal with them on their terms, not yours. Honestly, most people don't care for the Borzoi temperament. You have to be a different kind of person to really like them.

Oh, and also, I have only had one male. He was NOT friendly with other male dogs, and any dog that strayed into his territory was fair game. The few times he managed to attack another dog were absolutely terrifying, this was a dog who meant to kill his prey. After all, they were bred to hunt wolves.

My Borzoi totally ignores the horses, as if they are beneath her notice.

This is not a dog that you can take with you off leash on a trail ride, not unless you want to lose your very expensive pet! She will not stay with you, no matter how well trained she is.

A good puppy will run you from $1,200 to $2,500, depending on the bloodlines. If you are willing to give a home to an older adult, you may be able to talk to one of the breeders about giving a home to one of their retired dogs. That's a wonderful way to start getting to know about the breed, and the breeders are generally very willing to take back their dog if it doesn't work out. I have found the Borzoi breeders overall to be very committed to their dogs.

I'm not trying to sour you on the breed, but you need to do your research and know what you are getting before you dive in. For the right person, they are wonderful dogs. For the wrong person, they are a disaster. If you are looking for royalty in a dog, with the temperament and attitude to match it, by all means get a Borzoi. If you want a good obedient dog, who will give you lots of love and affection, get a Collie. After all, they do share some of the same genetic makeup!
     
    06-05-2012, 11:15 PM
  #9
Weanling
I think you were rude, myhorsesonador. I can research what the websites say to my hearts content and it will never tell me how the dog interacts. I am trying to better understand the dog through the experiences of those who interact with them. You gave answers to questions I did not ask. Thank you for the information, but I am trying to find out about the dog before entering discussion with breeders that I am having difficulty finding (I have only found two, maybe three, I would like to find more breeders to see more dogs before making calls). If all you can say is talk to the breeders, then I will take that to heart and consider talking to one sooner than I would prefer.

Thank you Rowdy. I am still learning when it comes to training, but it is my hope to start as early as possible with voice commands. My husband is very particular about the obedience of his dogs and I know he won't allow anything less.
     
    06-05-2012, 11:17 PM
  #10
Green Broke
If you want personal experiences then a breeder is your best bet they generally know the dogs inside and out and can tell you anything you want to know. Goodluck with your pup shopping though!
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