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        05-27-2014, 10:03 PM
      #21
    Green Broke
    I'm not going to say yes or no... But you have to take into consideration that you have a large dog who bites. It doesn't matter why, she bites.... and she can pack a heck of a punch being a GSD! What if she bite the wrong person? You'll have a hell of a law suit! What if she bites the wrong area? Legs aren't really a big deal, but working for a plastic surgeon I've seen lips almost bit off and hands torn up. She could permanently impair someone's life! Her biting also isn't a freak accident, how many people has she bit? This isn't a one time event, it's her coping mechanism. Not good.
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        05-27-2014, 10:22 PM
      #22
    Yearling
    During college, I lived in an apartment. I had 2 dogs. A cattle dog mix and a lab/pitt/great dane mix. My neighbor next to me, had 3 dogs- all Pitt Bulls.

    He walked them everyday with a muzzle. He worked during the day, and the dogs were walked first thing in the morning and as soon as he got home.

    It is absolutely possible to start taking this dog places with the muzzle on. With some training, they can get used to being muzzled. It doesn't have to be traumatic. Much better option than euthanasia.
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        05-27-2014, 11:13 PM
      #23
    Green Broke
    I think even with a muzzle a dog like this just isn't worth it. All it takes is that one time she doesn't have the muzzle on an the wrong person comes into the yard not knowing and then she gets to sit in a shelter till they decide what to do with a multiple biter. In which case she will be out down in a strange area where she is scared and stressed. I'd put her down now so she doesn't suffer that fate. This isn't a one time biter or a dog that has never been worked with. Bs has tried and the dog still snaps without warning that is not ok and there are too many good dogs in shelters being out down or out being abused to waste time on a biter like this. She's had a traumatic life and ending up in a shelter then being out down for biting the wrong person is an even worse fate.
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        06-02-2014, 02:17 AM
      #24
    Foal
    By the sounds of it, each bite you've told us about was either your fault, or the fault of the other party. Most of these events seem like they were surprising for her; most dogs I've met who AREN'T scarred for life, shoot up and try to move when a person steps over them, add fear biting to that and you have the perfect recipe for what's happened. Strangers coming into your house, uninvited or unannounced, call for the same sort of reaction. The first incident four months into your ownership and the big guy coming in unannounced are prime examples of "you're not supposed to be here, go away" behavior.

    None of this, to me at least, is worthy of euthanasia. I see a dog doing what she's supposed to be doing to protect her pack in most of these cases, excepting the sunshade incident (your relative of a relative's fault) and her reaction to being stepped over (your barn owner's husband's fault).

    Keep her on leash, get her a muzzle. Train the humans around her better. Set up boundaries for the people you're around (don't do this, don't do that, be cautious of...) so that you can all enjoy the company of one another.

    Her history and the situations (parties, going to friends' houses, going to the barn, etc) she's been in considered, you could have a lot worse stories to tell and a lot more of them too. Don't give up on her just yet. Do take better measures to protect her from herself and other human stupidity - as well as to protect yourself from the effects of her biting the wrong person.
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        06-02-2014, 06:51 AM
      #25
    Yearling
    The answer seems simple to me - muzzle her, and keep her muzzled whenever she is off your personal property.

    I would be of a different opinion if the biting wasn't so obviously out of fear. If she continued to go at a person, snarled or growled, I'd be on the euthanasia boat.

    But as it is, it's 'easy' for you to eliminate the risk. Plus, having her muzzled provides the added benefit of strangers knowing that your dog isn't the sort of dog they should come up to carelessly.

    Sure, it might create some stigma for your poor dog, but it's far better than the alternative. I can't see your dog ever getting over her fear after all you've already tried. IMO, you have two choices - muzzle, or the green dream. Make sure you try the first before considering the second.
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        06-02-2014, 09:14 AM
      #26
    Yearling
    I have a GSD/Cattle dog cross who does fear bite. Now he's not nearly as bad as your girl sounds but still some people cause him to react. I've also had a number of fear biting dogs come through.

    I'd say that none of these incidents were her 'fault'. People need to be aware that a dog with fear needs to have space and know where everyone is at all times. I second a muzzle and leash in public situtions for the moment as that will give you time to see what her trigger is and how she is mentally but keep people safe (and her!). I have also heard of doping them up to take the edge off but have never tried it personally.

    The thing I've learned with my GSD is that they need to know where everyone is at all times. I'm lucky with the fact that he will grab people's clothing before he grabs their skin but I've noticed he needs to watch where everyone is to feel comfortable and limit the reactions.

    Try out some other options before going to euthanasia at this point. It isn't aggressive biting or down right attacking. Good luck, I'm rooting for you guys!
         
        06-02-2014, 09:29 AM
      #27
    Trained
    My 3 year old niece was just bit by a 1 year old lab. He's fixed. He's grown up around kids. The family has 6 all ranging in ages from 5 to 15. No idea what happened. But he bit her right in the face. Each side of her mouth.

    It could have been her throat. And much worse. He was inches from her jugular.

    She'll now forever be scarred...literally, not figuratively. Luckily she is not scared of dogs. But her scar is nasty looking and my brother is looking into plastic surgery.

    My vote is euthanizing the dog. If a 1 year old that's grown up with a family full of kids could do this...I can't imagine what a mentally scarred GSD can do. One that has proven to bite when scared.
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        06-02-2014, 10:33 AM
      #28
    Weanling
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    Originally Posted by CLaPorte432    
    My 3 year old niece was just bit by a 1 year old lab. He's fixed. He's grown up around kids. The family has 6 all ranging in ages from 5 to 15. No idea what happened. But he bit her right in the face. Each side of her mouth.

    It could have been her throat. And much worse. He was inches from her jugular.

    She'll now forever be scarred...literally, not figuratively. Luckily she is not scared of dogs. But her scar is nasty looking and my brother is looking into plastic surgery.

    My vote is euthanizing the dog. If a 1 year old that's grown up with a family full of kids could do this...I can't imagine what a mentally scarred GSD can do. One that has proven to bite when scared.
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    THIS ^^^ You have said yourself you don't know when this dog may bite. It is sad that she had a bad beginning to life but you have given to some good times. Now its time to say goodbye before she hurts someone and they in turn hurt her. I have been in your shoes and I have no regrets.
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        06-02-2014, 10:50 AM
      #29
    Foal
    In certain areas, there are laws in place saying that if a dog bites X amount of times, they must be euthanized. I know this is a tough decision for you, but you are right to think the next person (and as many times as it has happened, there WILL be a next time) may be the one to take it up a notch and sue you. I think we tend to over humanize our animals as a general rule. We are saying it isn't "fair" to the animal that she be put down because she bites out of fear. I ask, is it "fair" that she be made to live in constant fear? Yes, for the most part she is happy. But it seems she is always looking over her shoulder, just waiting for that next reason to protect herself. I further ask is it "fair" that HUMANS have to suffer because of this dogs fear? This may some day get someone else SERIOUSLY injured and you in a position to pay someone elses bills on top of your own. You asked for opinions and mine is this. I would have done it after the second bite so no one else would have to get hurt over my dog. I would have cried, yes, I'm not a heartless b**** as some reading this are thinking, but I do feel it is more important to keep the humans in my life safe, even if it means taking the life of one of my little fur babies.
         
        06-02-2014, 10:55 AM
      #30
    Green Broke
    Thank you for all of the advice and opinions.

    I spent the last week agonizing over this decision. I spoke to many of the people that know her best, and had a tearful conversation with her vet. I feel both a strong attachment and responsibility to my dog, and a very strong responsibility towards the safety of other people.

    After much debate, she has one more chance. This decision was supported by all my family members and vet. We are going to get a muzzle and do more socializing, in a safe and controlled manner. I am going to teach her to stay away from the door when people are entering and exiting, and make sure they know to knock before entering. When guests are over that she might be unsure about, she will be in the back yard or on her bed, out of the way and perhaps muzzled. In the barn I will make sure she is out of the aisle and laying in a stall.

    I will not keep a dog that is child aggressive. She loves kids, its only big adults that scare her. Interestingly enough, my mother, who was badly bitten by a GSD as a child felt the most strongly that she should be allowed one more chance.

    I'm going to have to be very proactive and aware. This is her last chance. I am realistic about the situation. Any show of aggression, so much as a nip, and she is gone.
         
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