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Docked Tails and Cropped Ears. For it or against it?!

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View Poll Results: What do you think of docked tails and cropped ears being performed on dogs?
Both are fine in my opinion. 5 31.25%
Both should be banned! It is cruel, sick, and should be illegal! 7 43.75%
Docked Tails are fine, but cropped ears should be banned! 2 12.50%
Undecided. 2 12.50%
Voters: 16. You may not vote on this poll

 
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    09-12-2008, 06:52 PM
  #11
Weanling
Personally, I don't like them. If the dog isn't a hunting dog, and isn't going to be running around in heavy brush day in and day out, I see no point. For hunting dogs, I can see why a docked tail and cropped ears would help, so they wouldn't get so beat up, but other than that, I am VERY much against them.

I will exercize my right as a vet to refuse to crop and dock.

And Gingerrr... for dogs... I don't think a rubber band would be very humane, and I think that if done, it has to be for a good reason, and humanely done at the right age, but did you know that they use rubber bands on sheep tails? That's how they dock them. It's painless for the lamb, and the tail eventually falls off. Sheep don't naturally have ultra short tails... they actually have very long ones.

But back to the subject of dogs, no, I do not agree with cropping or docking. I've seen rottweilers, dobermans, corgis, and other dogs without, and they're BEAUTIFUL. They're natural, happy, and you don't see them trying to wag their whole butt when wagging their tail (not that that happens with all of them).

Also, if not done properly, the dog can end up with SERIOUS problems later on. Infections, bone and tissue left over that causes more infections and problems... etc.

So... if you want it done, make CERTAIN that the vet is QUALIFIED, has done it many times with absolutely ZERO to very little side effects on any of it, and so on. I'm against it... but if someone wants it, it needs to be done RIGHT.


Dumas... unless the dog is extremely active (like... needs 5+ hours of almost non-stop running a day), or their in a dangerous home setting (e.g. Heavy things that could fall at any time, construction, huge things that could easily fall), it is pretty uncommon for any dog to break it's tail. Sure... it happens, but it's uncommon. We've owned about 20+ dogs, and none have broken any tails, or even gotten close to doing so. All of our friends have had dogs too, same went for them. It's uncommon for a dog to just break it's tail. When something scares a dog, it's tail is not out in the open, it immidiately goes between its legs. Most dogs only carry their tail in a relaxed, down by the legs position anyways, except when greeting, acting dominant, and so on. If the dog carries it higher, there are usually only a few reasons: the dog is bred that way (Shar Peis, Papillons, Keeshonds, etc), or the dog has some slight deformity with it's back and tail.

Sure... when a dog is laying down, usually the tail is out. But unless people drop things on the tail, or step on the tail, the dog is safe from harm's way. So, for the most part, it's uncommon for a dog to break it's tail, whether it's full grown or puppy. Yes, it happens, but not as often as you're making it out to be. :)
     
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    09-12-2008, 08:12 PM
  #12
Weanling
I have three miniature schnauzers and when we bought them they all had cropped tails, and the breeders asked us when they were born 'do you want their ears done?' we said no becuase we like the floppy look and our dogs werent going to be show dogs so there was no point. If your going to do it just because you can...then I think its pointless but if you show or soemthing and it is required then yea it doesnt bother me if its done the RIGHT WAY lol
     
    09-12-2008, 08:27 PM
  #13
Trained
I personally do not like ear cropping or tail docking.
Even if all is done by a professional, it doesn't mean that something can't go wrong and that it's not painful for the animal.

If a dog was truly supposed to have short or ears that stand up or tails that were short, God would have made them that way.

German Shepherds have ears that stand up, and no medical procedure is done on them.

Can't think of any breeds off hand that aren't all born without tails.

What is the reason for docking or cropping?
Cosmetic reasons only because the HUMAN wants them to look a certain way.

I think it's all stupid and it's ridiculous to put "man's best friend" threw all that pain JUST so they look meaner or manly or cute or whatever you want.

If anyone wants to read about what is done, feel free to here
http://doggiesparadise.com/earcropping.shtml
     
    09-12-2008, 08:48 PM
  #14
Yearling
I respect everyones opinion, but I also exercise my rights towards
Tail docking. As a breeder, you need to appeal to other peoples
Interest when purchasing a dog, if they prefer to buy their puppy
With a docked tail (many people do if It is a practice on that
Dog breed) then that is what they want, and also if you can't sell
the dogs to them or anyone else...then there is alot more dogs
on your hands to take care of and proper pet care can be
Expensive.

Also some docking and cropping is done for dogs who compete in
The show ring.

Not trying to argue. But my beliefs are very strong and opinionated.
I don't think either one should be banned for that matter...if
anything should be banned it should be the practice of female
genital mutilation...that's an actual HUMAN BABY, NOT A DOG PEOPLE!!
     
    09-12-2008, 09:06 PM
  #15
Green Broke
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dumas'_Grrrl
My sister breeds and raises great danes. I raided her web site. (if you have time check it out...its a really cute site and she even has music for the dogs...she does theme litters. Really loved and cared for dogs on this site.)

www.stuhrgreatdanes.com

These 4 dogs are all from different litters.
Bella

Graycie

Hollis

Milner


Not all, but most of her puppies have their ears cropped. It is done at the owner's request. My sister shows both dogs with cropped and uncropped ears. The puppies don't seem to mind getting their ears tapped and they only wear it about 3-4 weeks.

I think its fine to crop ears and dock tails.

When I had a rottie, her tail was docked. Its not uncommon for a dog to break it's tail when its full grown. I'd rather see a dog docked when its small than undocked and have to go through severe pain in adulthood because it got too happy.

A friend of mine had a pit mix and the dog broke it's tail on a coffee table. :( Sad really...the doggie hurt so bad! The vet ended up removing the tail below the break.

I WANT A DANE!!!!!!!!
     
    09-12-2008, 10:05 PM
  #16
Super Moderator
MOX! You have a Tilly! You don't need a Dane too! Sheesh! Talk about spoiled!!!

Anway... I know back in the day they cropped the ears for hunting but... they don't crop hounds ears or tails so ... I don't know.... I think it's personal preference at this point....

And I will say... My aunt had a dane, Brooke, she lived FOREVER... anyway... I remember (her ears were cropped)... my aunt shut the car door on her tail and chopped part of it off... she was pretty upset over it... but I remember that tail was like a WHIP when it hit us! I have a feeling the tail of a doberman would feel like that... it was PAINFUL!!!!
     
    09-13-2008, 02:54 AM
  #17
Banned
I don't believe that cropping ears or docking tails is cruel if done correctly. However, I don't really like the thought of chopping off a puppy's tail or rearranging their ears so they stand up. I think that's just the mushy animal lover sine of me.

In my personal opinion, I find no need for the average family dog to have either done to them. I love the natural look of Dobermans and other breed which I'm too lazy to list who usually have their ears cropped and tails docked. The only exception I make is if the animal is a show dog and to meet the breed's standards you HAVE to dock the tail and/or crop the ears. In that case it's fine, as long as the breeders are responsible and administor the correct care.

As a side note, I've never ever heard of a dog breaking it's tail! Ouch... :(
     
    09-13-2008, 03:11 AM
  #18
Showing
Nature was put together a certain way. Everything is the way it is for a reason and no one should be altering that regardless of the reason.
     
    09-13-2008, 10:18 AM
  #19
Weanling
I agree M2G...

And Small_Town_Girl... I don't smack down your opinion. I was at a dog show today, and saw some BEAUTIFUL dogs with cropped ears. Sure... I'm still not a fan of them, I think that they look better without, but I'm not totally against them. I will however... exercize my right as a vet to say "no" if someone wants me to dock their dog's tail or crop their ears. I prefer dogs without it, and I will not do it to them. I couldn't bear to see a dog that one day is wagging it's tail, enjoying life, then to wake up in pain. Even with medication. Sure... the pain goes away. And the dog has a normal life... but I think that unless the dog has a naturally short tail (bulldogs, Pembroke Welsh Corgis, etc) then that's fine. It's adorable! But if the dog is happy and healthy, and isn't going to be used in the show ring or as a working dog, why dock the tail and crop the ears?

Would you dock your horse's tail just because you're afraid that it's going to get hurt one day? Would you cut up your horse's ears just because it makes it "look good"? No... you wouldn't. Why do it to dogs?

http://animal-world.com/dogs/Working...r2WDW_Ap6D.jpg
Doberman without tail... and with cropped ears

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...-Dobermann.jpg
Doberman with a tail... without cropped ears

Which looks healthier and happier? The second.

Those are my reasons. I'm not going to go so far as to say it should be banned... but I honestly don't see the point of having your pet be that way.

Floppy ears keep out infections and flies. Cropped ears let them in, since the ears aren't hairy like dog's ears that naturally stand up. Tails help a dog show what it feels like, a tail helps with balance. A dog without takes a while to regain balance.

Unless a dog is a working dog (like police force, heavy work, heavy machinery area guard dog, etc) or a show dog where not having it cropped and docked if frowned upon, I see no point. It's useless otherwise, unless the dog broke it's tail, or has an infection in it.
     
    09-13-2008, 11:42 AM
  #20
Yearling
Quote:
Originally Posted by FutureVetGirl
I agree M2G...

And Small_Town_Girl... I don't smack down your opinion. I was at a dog show today, and saw some BEAUTIFUL dogs with cropped ears. Sure... I'm still not a fan of them, I think that they look better without, but I'm not totally against them. I will however... exercize my right as a vet to say "no" if someone wants me to dock their dog's tail or crop their ears. I prefer dogs without it, and I will not do it to them. I couldn't bear to see a dog that one day is wagging it's tail, enjoying life, then to wake up in pain. Even with medication. Sure... the pain goes away. And the dog has a normal life... but I think that unless the dog has a naturally short tail (bulldogs, Pembroke Welsh Corgis, etc) then that's fine. It's adorable! But if the dog is happy and healthy, and isn't going to be used in the show ring or as a working dog, why dock the tail and crop the ears?

Would you dock your horse's tail just because you're afraid that it's going to get hurt one day? Would you cut up your horse's ears just because it makes it "look good"? No... you wouldn't. Why do it to dogs?

http://animal-world.com/dogs/Working...r2WDW_Ap6D.jpg
Doberman without tail... and with cropped ears

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...-Dobermann.jpg
Doberman with a tail... without cropped ears

Which looks healthier and happier? The second.

Those are my reasons. I'm not going to go so far as to say it should be banned... but I honestly don't see the point of having your pet be that way.

Floppy ears keep out infections and flies. Cropped ears let them in, since the ears aren't hairy like dog's ears that naturally stand up. Tails help a dog show what it feels like, a tail helps with balance. A dog without takes a while to regain balance.

Unless a dog is a working dog (like police force, heavy work, heavy machinery area guard dog, etc) or a show dog where not having it cropped and docked if frowned upon, I see no point. It's useless otherwise, unless the dog broke it's tail, or has an infection in it.
I can understand your opinion, but I only agree to cropping
And docking to an extent, I believe it should be done when
the puppy is first born and not after three days of age, if you
do it after that then it is wrong.


Also, I honestly like the first doberman better, but that is
MY opinion and neither look to happy at that....and the
Second doberman picture is way to small, but I looked it up
And I still prefer the docked and cropped look on that breed
Of dog. :P

Thank you for your honest opinion though, that's what this
poll is all about is honest opinions and standing up for your
beliefs! *hugs*
     
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